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we are here at the beginning of a new

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week so I thought it being a new week

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that I should do something responsible

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for once and get something off of my

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to-do list

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for quite some time now many of you have

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asked me what my opinions were or to

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cover and uh

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talk about alien abductions uh different

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cases uh specifically the most famous

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cases which to me and to most people

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interested in this topic would be the

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Benny and Barney Hill case the Travis

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Walton case and Whitley stribers

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account of these interactions with

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extraterrestrial entities

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or perhaps something else

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so I have uh quite a lot of material

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that I have collected for quite some

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time now

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and um

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there was a time where I would uh

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quickly discount the alien abduction

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phenomenon and people telling these

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stories largely due to the lack of

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physical evidence that normally

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accompanies these stories

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it's problematic for me

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um and again we get into the concept of

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falsifiability

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if these people can't truly prove that

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their stories are true and I can't truly

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prove that their stories are false

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um we are left sort of at a Crossroads

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at an impasse

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uh and what do we do with that uh it's

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quite interesting and uh you know it's

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an interesting quandary to be in do I

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want to Discount everyone's uh story

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not really I used to however having

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talked to many of these experiencers

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or talk to some lesser-known experiences

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I should say though I did once conduct

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an interview with Whitley strieber and I

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found him to be very believable

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and but it was the other lesser known

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people that you perhaps have never heard

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of that I talked to in some great detail

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I have some recorded interviews that

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have never broadcast with some of these

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people who have experienced this

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so I have often and long wondered why

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are so many people all around the earth

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from different religions different

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histories just different people from

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different cultures all telling very in

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some cases incredibly similar stories I

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wondered if this could be something

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don't come from outer space or even hell

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they come from the human mind

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and that was an Avenue that I explored

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for quite some time

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but tonight I'm going to give you a

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general overview of the alien abduction

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phenomenon its most famous the three

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most famous cases and it's three uh what

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so grab yourself a beverage and get

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comfortable I have an incredible amount

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of information to share tonight for once

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I'm prepared we've got notes we've got

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images we've got videos to share it's

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going to be a great show and thank you

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all for being here I apologize for my

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absence last week I had some terrible

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car trouble my car died on Wednesday and

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I needed to get that

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taken care of to make it to the cabin

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and uh had a great weekend at the cabin

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got some things off my to-do list there

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as well and hopefully we'll be going

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back to tackle that bathroom my poor

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um that she would have a proper bathroom

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there well as proper as it can be when

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there's still some walls to finish a

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ceiling in the bathroom to finish and

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some odds and ends I'm intending to get

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that done as soon as possible

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um so I apologize for my absence last

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week and also I just wanted to make a

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I got some time to actually think about

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things and so going forward uh we are

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schedule but not really just a change in

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the way that we'll be doing things and

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this doesn't sound very

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doesn't sound like I really made a clear

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um lately there has been a struggle to

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uh to keep up and uh with other areas of

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my life and therefore things get ignored

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and that's a problem

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family responsibilities you can't put

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so I will be uh sort of refocusing my

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efforts we will have live shows for sure

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Monday through Wednesday but we may just

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and additionally I've decided that we

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really need to start making more of the

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produced videos people enjoy those short

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sometimes so I'm going to be making

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those throughout the week and I will be

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putting them first on patreon and on our

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channel members and also I'm

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investigating a way to look at twitch uh

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subscribers getting those benefits you

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um and I thank each and every one of you

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who signed up on Twitch we'll be giving

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you some information on how you can help

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our show and it won't cost you anything

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that we're a twitch affiliate you can

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throw the show a few bucks and it won't

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cost you anything but we should be

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giving those benefits so what I'm going

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to be doing for sure is Monday through

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but I'm also looking into changing that

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um and they produced videos I'll be

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and as soon as each video is finished it

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and channel members uh so you guys will

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uh follow my Twitter at Stephen cambian

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if you really want to know up to date

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I'll post you know whatever's going on

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it's always on my Twitter at Stephen

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um just need to

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re-examine how we're doing things here

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to try to do things better and have a

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better work life balance despite how I

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would love to just do this full time you

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know I have other things that are

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responsibilities and other things that I

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have to do to generate funds besides

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this show and those things have also

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been suffering and last week or two

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weeks ago I thought I'm just going to

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quit everything else and just

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concentrate on the show but then we take

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a look at some spreadsheets and think

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this is not going to work and also I

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really prefer to have income outside of

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the show and that is so that I do not

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become one of the people that I see who

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I was in the entertainment industry if a

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guy was just really working on his uh

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aspirations whether it be a songwriter

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if you had a day job he wasn't a slime

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ball if he had some other kind of income

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they turn into really not nice people

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because they have to do whatever they

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have to do stab everybody in the back

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enough funds to live off of I don't want

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to be those people so there will always

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be something else I'm doing besides the

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alien abduction phenomenon the major

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players and major stories and more

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need to be approached with a healthy

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dose of skepticism

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because the idea of extraterrestrial

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beings abducting humans is certainly

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intriguing and there are several reasons

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why these stories however should still

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be viewed with a critical eye and I have

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mentioned that I once refused to talk to

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anybody that was telling stories of

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getting abducted by aliens I then

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talking to and communicating with many

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criticism and my total skepticism of

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most of it it used to be that I said

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interested in you just tell me a story

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many of these people I started noticing

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some common

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similar threads to their stories and

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it was intriguing to me these people I

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was sure didn't know each other they

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weren't communicating and you know

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passing notes back and forth for what to

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tell me

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but there was a great deal of sameness

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in their story which again made me

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wonder if there was some neurological

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basis for these experiences many people

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think that that could be the case

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sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming or you

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know vivid dreams and other things may

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be an explanation for this phenomenon

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one of the main issues with the alien

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abduction stories however is the lack of

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concrete evidence and despite numerous

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claims of abductions over the past

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there exists to my knowledge no actual

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physical evidence to support these

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no one has been able to produce a piece

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of alien technology despite claims of

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people claiming alien implants go try to

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find the data on those alien implants

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that conclusively proves that those

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implants are aliens

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what you get is a lot of tantalizing

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maybe proof and no definitive answers

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about those so-called alien implants

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um people have been unable to produce a

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physical

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specimen or tissue sample of an alien

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being

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during these abduction experiences

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despite claims of fighting back against

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them in some cases scratching them

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additionally to my knowledge there is no

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photographic or video evidence of an

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alien abduction taking place not a real

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one there have been several hoaxes that

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were proven to be falsely generated

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hoaxes that were created

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to make money

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another issue with the alien abduction

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stories I found

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um

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is two things first while there is a

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sameness or familiarity between many

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different cases of people making these

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claims there is also a lack of

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consistency in the accounts many

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abduction stories are based on the

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testimony of the alleged abductee but

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these accounts often differ in key

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details for example the physical

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appearance of the aliens the location of

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the abduction and the procedures

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performed on the abductee can very vary

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greatly between stories and individuals

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this lack of consistency raises

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questions about the veracity of the

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claims however people on the believer

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side will argue that there are different

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alien species abducting people and that

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would explain a difference in the

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appearance of the aliens or how they

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um are different physically

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and I understand those objections to my

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skepticism

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but it's still worthy of note that there

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are vast differences in many of these

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accounts and although the gray type

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alien seems to be the primary alien that

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people encounter during these

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experiences there are a lot of

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historical evidence of completely

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different kind of uh alien species

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including human-like ones reptilian ones

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insectoid ones mantid aliens and more

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I even heard an uh an abduction account

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where somebody claimed they were

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abducted literally by fish men aliens

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men that appeared to be uh fish based or

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based on fish

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uh and the ship even uh had an

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atmosphere of water but they gave him an

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oxygen mask or something like that

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and many of the stories of alien

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abduction have been found to have uh

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psychological explanations for example

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some researchers suggest that some of

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the experiences described in abduction

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stories may be the result of certain

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Sleep disorders such as sleep paralysis

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which can cause Vivid hallucinations and

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a real sense of being paralyzed others

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have suggested that the stories are the

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result of a phenomenon known as false

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memory syndrome which can cause people

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to remember events that never actually

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occurred and there are substantial and

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supportive evidence that

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false memory syndrome exists in humans

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it's been studied for quite some time

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it's also worth noting that some of the

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people who claim to have been abducted

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or have admitted to fabricating them

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their stories either for financial gain

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attention fame or even psychological

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reasons so there are people who just

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make up stories again for to make money

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it's important to note that the primary

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or most famous alien abduction cases

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that we'll go over tonight have all

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generated millions of dollars each of

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them and there's three of the major

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cases and it can be argued that each of

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those three major cases by themselves

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alone have generated millions and

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millions of dollars in Revenue in the

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form of documentaries books speaking

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fees uh interview fees and more

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while the idea of alien abduction is

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certainly intriguing to me

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um I still think that there's a lot of

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reasons why these stories should be

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viewed with a critical eye and and I

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believe

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that many of the people that I have

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talked to aren't Liars they truly

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believe that they have these experiences

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which again leads me at a strange

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Crossroad because what can I do with a

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story that has absolutely no physical

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evidence I can't prove it's true and

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likewise I can't prove it's not true so

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I wonder about the value of that

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personal account

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now certainly I think that some of these

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accounts do have value

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if we believe that aliens are visiting

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Earth

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maybe there's something to this and

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that's always what I come back to I

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cannot just completely dismiss

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these claims because there's just too

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many people

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many of which have not gone the profit

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motive uh route in other words there are

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have been many many people who have

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reached out to me that have communicated

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with even interviewed that didn't want

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any money they didn't want fame they

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wanted to remain anonymous they just

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wanted me to understand more of this

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phenomenon and I thank those people

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because I have a greater understanding

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of I think I have a greater

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understanding of what it is

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that they are experiencing

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but I still think again it's important

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to approach these stories uh with a

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health healthy dose of skepticism and

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keep an open mind to Alternative

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explanations such as neurological

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conditions

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now uh there are three major major uh

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Alien Abduction cases and we are going

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to go over those

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and the first is we're going to go sort

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of in chronological order so the first

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major alien abduction case that really

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came to widespread Fame and cultural

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awareness was the Benny and Barney Hill

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case and I'm going to share my screen

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and there have been famous researchers

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such as Stanton Friedman who

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emphatically I talked to Stanton

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Friedman about this case a bunch of

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times before his passing uh by the way

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rest in peace uh he was really good good

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man he emphatically believed both Betty

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and Barney Hill were telling him the

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truth

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he was a very educated man at times I

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thought maybe he wanted to believe it

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too much and he generated some cognitive

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bias which may have informed his belief

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that they were telling the truth but the

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fact remains that

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many of these abduction experiences are

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very convincing and genuine in their

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telling of their story and

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quite often people believe that they're

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telling the truth

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so here is a sign in the town of Betty

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and Barney Hill uh Betty and Barney Hill

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incident on the night of September 19th

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20th 1961 Portsmouth New Hampshire

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couple Benny and Barney Hill experienced

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a close encounter with an unidentified

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flying object and two hours of lost time

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while driving South on Route 3 near

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Lincoln

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they filled an official Air Force

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Project Blue Book Report of a brightly

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lit cigar-shaped craft the next day but

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were not public with their story until

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it was leaked in the Boston Traveler

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in 1965. this was the first widely

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reported UFO Abduction report in the

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United States and that is correct and

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I've often wondered

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there's just an incredible amount of

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similarities between Betty and Barney

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Hill's original story and many of the

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new

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abduction stories that we hear today in

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modern times and it makes me wonder are

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people copying information from this

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very famous case or are they having

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similar experiences there's many

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similarities including missing time

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medical procedures the telepathic

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communication

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small beings with big eyes and more

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uh

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here we see a photo of Betty and Barney

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Hill it's interesting to note that they

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were an interracial couple and so an

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interracial couple making very

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controversial claims at the time I would

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think one of the things I thought about

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them is that they might try to avoid

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uh any drawing attention to themselves

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because remember this was still back

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when an interracial couple was sort of

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uh

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looked down on right many people did not

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agree with uh this kind of a marital

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situation and they would have faced a

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lot of criticism maybe it would be best

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not to bring attention upon themselves

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as an interracial couple but they still

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did

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um

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so I have some more notes Here

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uh Benny and Barney Hill alien abduction

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case is one of the most well-known and

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controversial cases of alien abduction

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in history

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the hills a married couple from

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Portsmouth New Hampshire claimed to have

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been kidnapped and taken apart a UFO by

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extraterrestrial beings in 1961.

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the case began on September 19 1961 when

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Benny and Barney were driving home from

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a vacation in Canada

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they have reported that they have been

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driving on a deserted stretch of road in

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the White Mountains of New Hampshire

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when they noticed the strange object in

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the in the sky

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according to the hills the object

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quickly descended and hovered over their

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car causing them to become disoriented

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and experience a period of missing time

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when they regain Consciousness the hills

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claim to have been taken aboard the UFO

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and subjected to a series of medical

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examinations and other procedures by the

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alleged alien beings

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they also claimed to have been shown a

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map of the universe and given a message

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of peace and unity interesting to note

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that at first

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researchers claimed that that map

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showed that the aliens came from Zeta

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reticuli later that map was sort of

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debunked and it was not correct that

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that it showed a certain star system

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the hills reported their experience to

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the Air Force's Project Blue Book which

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was investigating UFO and encounters and

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sightings at the time however the Air

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Force was unable to confirm the hill

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00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:35,940
story and concluded that they had likely

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experienced a quote Collective

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hallucination unquote

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the case went on to gain widespread

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attention in the 1970s 70s when the

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hills underwent hypnosis in an effort to

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recover lost memories of the event

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the hypnotic sessions revealed

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additional details of the Hill's

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abduction experience including

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descriptions of the alien beings and

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their craft as well as a message of

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peace and unity that the hills claimed

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to have received

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it's very important to note that many

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stories of alien abduction include

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memories recovered under hypnosis

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um

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I am very suspect of recovered memories

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uh and there are many people it's a

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cottage industry believe it or not there

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00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,039
are people making full-time livings just

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doing hypnotic regressions for alien

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00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:29,820
abduction victims

566
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:32,100
and wouldn't you know they find that

567
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,779
these people recover memories about

568
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:36,659
aliens almost every time and one of the

569
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:40,380
best examples I can think of that well

570
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:42,059
there are several

571
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:42,840
um

572
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,140
but one second let me uh I don't want to

573
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:48,960
give a wrong name let me look look up

574
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,659
her name so I don't get it wrong

575
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:54,240
there is a woman a barber lamb I

576
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,620
apologize so there's a woman named

577
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,480
Barbara lamb Who does these hypnotic

578
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,480
regressions and when you know she always

579
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,419
finds aliens when she does the hypnotic

580
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:05,760
regressions I find that more than a

581
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:07,380
little suspect and of course there's a

582
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:10,980
prophet motive that may

583
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,500
um have some

584
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:16,140
it may have something to do with them

585
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,980
finding memories of aliens

586
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,080
despite the Air Force's conclusion that

587
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,700
the hill story was likely a

588
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,919
hallucination many people continue to

589
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,480
believe in the validity of their

590
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,760
abduction experience supporters of the

591
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,159
hills claim that the couple's story is

592
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,140
one of the most credible and the most

593
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,480
well documented cases of alien abduction

594
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:39,179
and that the Air Force's investigation

595
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,600
was incomplete and biased

596
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,360
so the case of Benny and Barney Hill is

597
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,580
still hotly debated today and is still

598
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,860
continued considered as an unsolved

599
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:51,899
mystery and a topic of debate among

600
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,539
ufologists and Skeptics alike

601
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:56,820
the couple's story has been retold in

602
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:00,500
books documentaries and even a TV movie

603
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:03,240
starring James Earl Jones believe it or

604
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:04,080
not

605
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,460
and uh these books documentaries

606
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:10,620
keep alive the Intrigue and the

607
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,140
fascination of this case

608
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:15,600
I'm going to show you some other Stills

609
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,500
and again you know the skeptical part of

610
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,559
me needs to remind myself that this case

611
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,360
the Benny and Barney Hill case has

612
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:27,360
generated millions of dollars in Revenue

613
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:29,720
there are many many books on the case

614
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,899
their their case is included in almost

615
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,059
I I couldn't tell you how many books I

616
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,700
have that at least give a brief overview

617
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,039
of the case it's included in

618
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:43,440
documentaries it was the subject of a

619
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:51,590
and here we see a shot

620
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,020
of the hills the couple under hypnotic

621
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:00,850
one thing I will say is that despite my

622
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,440
skepticism of hypnotic regression

623
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,679
there are uh I believe there are

624
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:10,080
existing audio tapes I got it somewhere

625
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,539
in audio I wish I would have been able

626
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,159
to find I looked for it before broadcast

627
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,919
I apologize but if you do if you are

628
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:19,760
interested in this case get get yourself

629
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,980
uh to listen to some of the hypnotic

630
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:25,380
regressions that there exists tapes of

631
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:26,940
on the internet

632
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:29,460
and

633
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,279
once you listen to those tapes at least

634
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:34,679
for me my skepticism that they were

635
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,380
making it up sort of melted away because

636
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,200
both these people were completely and

637
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:43,020
totally terrified now can somebody just

638
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:45,659
making up a story just act terrified

639
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:49,500
under hypnosis maybe but it made me

640
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:51,539
believe their account much much more

641
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:55,559
because I in my view it would be hard to

642
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,200
fake that level of Terror that they seem

643
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:01,260
to be experiencing during these hypnotic

644
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,960
regression sessions while encountering

645
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,360
these aliens uh that took them aboard

646
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:08,340
the craft

647
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,340
and of course here is uh another shot

648
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:13,919
from a documentary Alien Abduction the

649
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,919
Odyssey of Betty and Barney Hill

650
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:19,200
here's another documentary Alien

651
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:21,000
Abduction the Betty and Barney Hill

652
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,080
story

653
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,480
and here uh and this was one of my

654
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,399
favorites this was a great movie you can

655
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,320
watch it free YouTube with ads I'm sorry

656
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:30,419
I don't recall just search Betty and

657
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,940
Barney Hill I'll see if we can't find a

658
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,600
link for you this movie is on YouTube

659
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,880
starring James Earl Jones and I don't

660
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,980
remember the other actress's name but

661
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,260
interestingly she played Roseanne Barr's

662
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,140
mother in later nine you know later

663
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,840
television but this was a television

664
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,360
movie starring James Earl Jones

665
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,340
as Barney

666
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:56,700
um and it recounts the entire experience

667
00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:00,120
and story uh I thought it was very well

668
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:02,340
done if you like aliens it's a great

669
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,399
it's a great great film I thought it was

670
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:07,380
enjoyable

671
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,399
um and I think that Benny or excuse me

672
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,440
uh Betty and Barney Hill sort of

673
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,480
endorsed that they did a very good job

674
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:18,480
at an accurate portrayal or depiction of

675
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:20,940
their experiences

676
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,779
um

677
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,700
Stanton Friedman once told me that there

678
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:25,320
were a few little things that they got

679
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:27,899
wrong but nothing of you know great

680
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:31,799
importance uh so there we have the Betty

681
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:34,980
and Barney Hill story now this leads us

682
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,340
to our next most famous case

683
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,279
and that would be uh who's the next

684
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:44,399
contestant on that would be the Travis

685
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:47,159
Walton case now this one has been the

686
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,519
subject of debate especially recently

687
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:53,279
and before I should before I can begin

688
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,059
this presentation I should mention that

689
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:01,140
recently uh one of the witnesses to the

690
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,899
Travis Walton case sort of came out and

691
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,000
said they made it all up for money and

692
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,919
he was telling a researcher how they

693
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,040
faked it using a

694
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:13,320
um fire tower in the middle of the woods

695
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:15,179
with spotlights on it

696
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:18,780
uh and then perhaps Travis just hit out

697
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:22,500
for a week that the Travis Walton case

698
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,839
was always interesting to me because

699
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:27,480
most alien abduction victims claim that

700
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,540
they were kidnapped or abducted for a

701
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:32,639
few hours and then put back

702
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:34,980
but in the case of Travis Walton he was

703
00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:38,220
gone for a full-on week and uh the local

704
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:40,520
authorities were searching for him

705
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,099
and uh he was gone for a full week

706
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:45,599
uh

707
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,060
once again

708
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:53,280
oh I have it here we go

709
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,339
so and again I I hate to keep coming

710
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,440
back to this thread but it's important

711
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:01,200
for me to note that the Travis Walton

712
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,020
story like the Betty and Barney Hill

713
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,480
story has generated millions and

714
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:08,880
millions and millions of dollars in

715
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:09,960
Revenue

716
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:12,720
uh there was a Hollywood movie called

717
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,200
Fire in the Sky there's talk of a new

718
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:19,500
remake of the Hollywood version of the

719
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,980
story being developed right now uh

720
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:25,920
but last I heard that was green lighted

721
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,339
but sort of in limbo but I believe

722
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,339
they're making another version of the

723
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,520
Travis Walton story as a Hollywood movie

724
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,220
uh this one Fire in the Sky

725
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:41,520
very good movie I thought and uh there's

726
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:44,040
a real disturbing the part where he's on

727
00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:47,099
the spaceship is incredibly disturbing

728
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:50,339
uh and here's some shots from that

729
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,619
where he is apparently aboard a

730
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:55,020
spacecraft

731
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:58,380
and um I have some additional notes here

732
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,079
about the case Travis Walton alien

733
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:03,780
abduction case uh like Betty and Barney

734
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,880
Hill is one of the most well-known and

735
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,859
controversial cases of alien abduction

736
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:09,540
history

737
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:12,900
according to Travis Walton in 1975 while

738
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,140
he was a 22 year old lager in Arizona he

739
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,119
claimed to have been abducted by a UFO

740
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:20,940
while working with a logging crew

741
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:24,599
in the sick Grieves National Forest the

742
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,180
incident occurred on November 5th 1975

743
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:29,280
when Walton and his crew were working in

744
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,420
the forest

745
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:32,640
according to other members of the crew

746
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,339
they saw a bright light in the sky and

747
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,380
they went to investigate as they

748
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:39,060
approached the object they saw that it

749
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:42,540
was a saucer-shaped craft Walton who was

750
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:45,660
reportedly closest to the craft was uh

751
00:36:52,569 --> 00:36:49,980
suddenly engulfed in a big beam of light

752
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:52,579
and the crew panicked and fled the scene

753
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,400
leaving Walton behind

754
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,680
the crew later reported the incident to

755
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,720
the police and a search party was

756
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:02,700
organized to look for Walton

757
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,700
he was found unconscious I apologize it

758
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:08,220
was uh incorrect earlier it was five

759
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,500
days later he was found unconscious and

760
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,780
I mentioned that one of the reasons this

761
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:14,940
case has interested me

762
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,400
is because most abduction victims claim

763
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,560
they're they're missing a few hours

764
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,500
in this case Travis Walton was gone

765
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:25,440
nowhere to be found for five full-on

766
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,800
days and nights

767
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,060
Travis claimed to have been taken aboard

768
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,339
the UFO and subjected to a series of

769
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:34,140
medical examinations and other

770
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,660
procedures by the alien beings

771
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:38,880
he reported that he was returned back to

772
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:42,180
the forest and he was found by a fellow

773
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:43,859
crew member

774
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:47,160
the case Bay this case gained widespread

775
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:49,079
attention and was heavily investigated

776
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,320
by the air forces

777
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:54,240
office of special investigations which

778
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,420
was investigating UFO encounters

779
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,520
the Air Force was unable to confirm

780
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,560
Alton's story and concluded it was

781
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,240
likely a hoax

782
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,480
Walton and his crew passed polygraph

783
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:08,040
tests which supported their story

784
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:09,480
however

785
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,780
Walton also failed a lighted detector

786
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:15,720
tests uh which we'll see tonight

787
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,119
several experts testified that the men's

788
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:20,160
reactions and behavior were consistent

789
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,480
with those

790
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,760
of individuals who had truly witnessed

791
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,859
an extraordinary event

792
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,440
and when you talk about the Travis

793
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,140
Walton case with those in the know you

794
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:32,880
will find that Believers will tell you

795
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,220
that Travis Walton passed lie detector

796
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,440
tests and the crew passed lie detector

797
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,060
tests however

798
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,460
and that's a bit of a problem because

799
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,160
what people don't tell you is that the

800
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,160
crew was asked specific questions like

801
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,859
did you murder Travis Walton and they

802
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:52,560
said no that's the lie detector test

803
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:54,599
that they passed

804
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,220
um and you know there's all kinds of

805
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,579
controversy about that but we do have

806
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:01,560
evidence and proof that Travis Walton

807
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:04,740
failed several lie detector tests an

808
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,619
original one given by investigators at

809
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,599
the time of the event and later he

810
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,820
failed a lie detector test on a

811
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,700
television show uh where he was asked to

812
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:16,800
recount his experience and if he was

813
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,260
being truthful he said he was he failed

814
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:20,820
that lie detector

815
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:23,579
I'm very suspicious of of lie detectors

816
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,280
as being Arbiters of Truth

817
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:29,099
there's various ways that one can beat a

818
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:30,920
lie detector test

819
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,380
for example pathological Liars or

820
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:36,660
Psychopaths and sociopaths can pass a

821
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:38,099
lie detector test while they're lying

822
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,660
through their teeth to you

823
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,099
so

824
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:43,920
I I understand that people who want to

825
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,960
support the story claim that people pass

826
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,240
lie detector tests while people also

827
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,579
failed some including Travis Lawton

828
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:54,000
failing some too so you know that's one

829
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,320
of those situations where I think we

830
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,359
throw out the lie detector test as

831
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:00,320
inconclusive past some failed others

832
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,180
weren't asked direct questions about

833
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:05,880
aliens and flying saucers and UFOs but

834
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,940
rather do you you know did you have

835
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,099
anything to do with his disappearance or

836
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,740
was was violence involved or whatever

837
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:16,079
the case may be

838
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,940
like the Betty and Barney Hill case

839
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:20,160
despite the Air Force's conclusion many

840
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,480
people continue to believe in the

841
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:23,280
validity of The Walton's abduction

842
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,599
experience

843
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,460
supporters of the case claim that the

844
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,380
evidence and testimonials support

845
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:30,180
Walton's account

846
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:31,980
and um

847
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,140
that investigators

848
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,660
didn't do a good enough job or were

849
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,119
somewhat biased to believe that it was a

850
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:42,960
hoax there are various stories however

851
00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:46,920
um that Travis Walton and his crew won a

852
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:50,180
big prize from The Inquirer

853
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,320
newspaper at the time which was holding

854
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:55,040
a contest for best story

855
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,619
and it's it always seems suspect to me

856
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,720
that this event

857
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:03,599
somehow circumvented perfectly with that

858
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:05,940
large prize I think it was a fifty

859
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,040
thousand dollar prize

860
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,520
and uh but like other famous cases the

861
00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:13,619
Travis Walton case is still considered a

862
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,220
topic of debate among Believers

863
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:19,380
ufologists and Skeptics alike

864
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,359
and like I have mentioned the story also

865
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:26,220
generated millions and millions of

866
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,660
dollars in the form of books

867
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,180
documentaries and even a Hollywood movie

868
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:31,920
Fire in the Sky

869
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:35,400
to many however it remains one of the

870
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,339
most intriguing and perplexing alien

871
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,859
abduction cases in history

872
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:42,900
and uh we're just going to show you some

873
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,300
more of these Stills here's Travis

874
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,820
Walton 40 years after the event holding

875
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:49,980
a special event there in the woods near

876
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,380
where he claimed this alien abduction

877
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:54,720
took place

878
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,320
here is a documentary the true story of

879
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,839
Travis Walton one man's survival after a

880
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,760
terrifying Journey

881
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:04,560
uh

882
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:10,380
but based on a true story

883
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:17,390
the Hollywood version of the story which

884
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,780
I thought was pretty good

885
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:19,980
pretty good

886
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:22,500
now we have one final famous alien

887
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:26,040
abduction case to get through and uh

888
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:26,940
we're gonna

889
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,460
Whitley Schreiber who I uh was

890
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,980
lucky enough to get to interview once

891
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:37,140
and I'm glad that I did because quite

892
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:40,619
honestly before getting to know Mr

893
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:44,579
Schreiber a little bit personally I

894
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:47,579
was very suspicious and very skeptical

895
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:50,339
of his story after all Whitley Schreiber

896
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,540
for those unaware was uh some would say

897
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,839
a very successful fiction writer uh he

898
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,760
wrote things like the howling which was

899
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:02,220
turned into Hollywood movies and a few

900
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:03,300
others

901
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,099
before

902
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:07,740
having these experiences and turning his

903
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,040
attention to

904
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,260
writing almost exclusively about aliens

905
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:15,480
now I believe he still does write

906
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:18,300
fictional books but most of his books

907
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,020
are about his experiences and

908
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,240
I would think that

909
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,060
um of these three cases arguably the

910
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:28,980
most

911
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,680
impact I would argue may be Whitley

912
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:36,660
strieber's case

913
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,060
when Whitley Schreiber released his book

914
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:40,560
communion

915
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:49,970
part of me

916
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,589
I'm sure I'm gonna get

917
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:53,520
some messages I forgot to hit the cough

918
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:01,250
it's a live show you get it warts and

919
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,980
all

920
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:03,900
so

921
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,700
um this

922
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,319
communion

923
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,380
um book was everywhere I'm going to

924
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:12,420
share my screen here

925
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:19,670
this book for a time was literally

926
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,819
everywhere I remember riding the bus and

927
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,680
getting on the train the elevated

928
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,319
platform this some would call it a

929
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:30,420
Subway but it's elevated for some time

930
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,060
I'm from Philadelphia

931
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,280
um so before it goes down into the

932
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:38,040
subway tunnel it's elevated for a

933
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,619
stretch we call it the L but I remember

934
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,140
getting on a bus and catching the L to

935
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:44,640
go to Center City

936
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,400
and I saw people three or four people on

937
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:49,800
the Bus All reading this book at the

938
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,040
time you know uh and

939
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:55,260
I got on the train and I saw people

940
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:58,200
reading the book if I would go to school

941
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,260
other kids would be talking about the

942
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:04,200
book or reading the book or passing the

943
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:06,660
book back and forth

944
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,960
um when I grew up Catholic so we were

945
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,400
actually in trouble

946
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:13,140
we would actually get in trouble for

947
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,339
having this book the priests uh and nuns

948
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,500
would say that's not an alien that's a

949
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:22,079
demon that he's communicating with

950
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,839
and therefore we weren't supposed to

951
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,420
read the book but that only made me want

952
00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:29,280
to read the book more

953
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:32,660
and also I believe that Whitley

954
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,839
schreiber's uh streamers

955
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:37,760
um

956
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:40,859
depiction of the one of the alien

957
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:43,380
species that he encountered during his

958
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:45,800
experience here on the cover of the book

959
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:50,700
became the archetype of an alien and

960
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,420
um this famous depiction I think had

961
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,700
huge cultural impacts because it seemed

962
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:59,280
like every alien after

963
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,079
this book

964
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,370
very very similar big head small nose

965
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:09,920
slip for a mouth

966
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:17,630
so more than the other cases I think

967
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,260
that this case had an incredible

968
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:21,960
cultural impact and it came maybe I

969
00:46:25,329 --> 00:46:23,700
should I didn't do these in

970
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,339
chronological order it sort of Came

971
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:28,020
Betty and Barney Hill first then

972
00:46:32,589 --> 00:46:31,859
communion and then Travis Walton's story

973
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:32,599
um

974
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,140
Mr Whitley he uh

975
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,180
I don't know I interviewed him and I

976
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:41,880
talked to him somewhat off air

977
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:49,309
um I previously thought that he was just

978
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,300
making this up this was all profit

979
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,800
driven

980
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,780
um but again it is important to note

981
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:57,000
that Mr

982
00:47:04,329 --> 00:47:02,400
subscriber story is largely profitable

983
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,339
there was even a Hollywood movie

984
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,900
starring Christopher Walken and if you

985
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,400
get a chance to see that I highly

986
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:10,740
recommend that you do I thought it was

987
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:11,940
incredible

988
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,380
one of my favorite movies about aliens

989
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:18,060
and again apparently based on a true

990
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:19,040
story

991
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,800
I also found it interesting

992
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,140
that he had his experiences in a cabin

993
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:28,500
in Upstate New York and I'm not entirely

994
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:32,339
sure but his cabin is like less than an

995
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,819
hour I believe away from my cabin in the

996
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:38,040
Pocono Mountains

997
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,490
and though I've certainly never had an

998
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,740
alien experience at my cabin

999
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,200
we hear many strange things out there in

1000
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:52,800
the woods and I often wondered if

1001
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:53,579
um

1002
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,280
he was hearing similar things to what we

1003
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,260
hear sometimes we hear screeching off in

1004
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,180
the woods sometimes we hear things

1005
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,400
walking around and I wondered if that

1006
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,380
played any part in his experiences

1007
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,440
because his original experiences that he

1008
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:10,319
wrote about in communion all took place

1009
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,160
in a remote cabin in Upstate New York

1010
00:48:18,490 --> 00:48:17,220
and here we see uh Christopher Walken's

1011
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,500
depiction

1012
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,020
uh the Manta

1013
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:23,339
insectoids and here's a shot of

1014
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:26,040
communion on VHS

1015
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,180
uh and I think it's uh arguably one of

1016
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:32,640
the best movies about aliens but let's

1017
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:36,200
get into some notes I have on Mr

1018
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:39,660
Whitley's Streeper

1019
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:41,880
his case is one of the most one

1020
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,240
well-known cases of alien abduction in

1021
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:47,400
1985

1022
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:49,859
Whitley strieber a best-selling author

1023
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,060
and speaker claimed to have been

1024
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:53,099
abducted by a UFO while staying in a

1025
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:55,859
cabin in the woods of upstate New York

1026
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,680
strieber's story began on December 26

1027
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,740
1985 when he and his wife were staying

1028
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,839
in a cabin in the woods in Upstate New

1029
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:04,980
York

1030
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:07,619
according to streber he was awakened in

1031
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:08,819
the middle of the night by strange

1032
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:12,240
noises and saw a UFO outside his window

1033
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:14,040
he claimed that he was taken aboard the

1034
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,720
craft and subjected to a series of

1035
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,400
medical examinations and other

1036
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,339
procedures by the alien beings

1037
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:22,800
his story gained widespread attention in

1038
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:27,770
and he wrote about his experiences in

1039
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:30,599
several books including the best-selling

1040
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,900
book communion a true story

1041
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,060
subscriber's account of his uh abduction

1042
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,119
experience is considered one of the most

1043
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,339
detailed and well-documented cases of

1044
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:43,740
alien abduction however his account of

1045
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,540
his experience has been met with

1046
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,119
skepticism by many in the scientific

1047
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,760
Community his critics argue that his

1048
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,740
story is a work of fiction and that the

1049
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,480
events he describes were luckily the

1050
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:56,220
result of sleep disorder or other

1051
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,740
psychological condition

1052
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,440
despite the Skeptics his account of his

1053
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,540
experience continues to be widely

1054
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:05,579
discussed and debated in the field of

1055
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:09,839
ufology it's uh interesting to note that

1056
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,300
he does a podcast or a show quite like

1057
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:15,480
this one uh where he talks very very

1058
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,819
extensively and he's also also offered

1059
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,980
many many more books on strange

1060
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,020
experiences

1061
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,900
some people however believe that his

1062
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,880
story is one of the most credible cases

1063
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:28,079
of

1064
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,020
alien interaction and that his detailed

1065
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:33,359
account provides valuable insight into

1066
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:35,579
the phenomenon

1067
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,599
it's also worth noting that Whitley

1068
00:50:44,829 --> 00:50:41,700
himself has stated that he does not know

1069
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:44,839
for sure if his experiences were aliens

1070
00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:47,940
interdimensional beings or were even

1071
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:51,059
real or a product of his imagination and

1072
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,160
that the truth may never be known

1073
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,680
he has also acknowledged that his books

1074
00:51:05,470 --> 00:50:58,079
are a mix of reality imagination and

1075
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:07,430
and

1076
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,660
ongoing experiences

1077
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,520
uh

1078
00:51:27,730 --> 00:51:25,440
continue to keep alive

1079
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:27,740
the fascination with the subject of

1080
00:51:33,849 --> 00:51:31,079
extraterrestrial encounters

1081
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:33,859
and so this will conclude at least our

1082
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:36,599
discussion of the three

1083
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,420
most famous or most well-known alien

1084
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:41,220
abduction cases

1085
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:42,359
but

1086
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:46,020
I thought that we should certainly us

1087
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,260
the three uh most well-known or famous

1088
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,880
UFO

1089
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,220
researchers as well

1090
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:56,640
and those my friends would be

1091
00:52:03,069 --> 00:52:00,660
uh we have John Mack

1092
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:03,079
Bud Hopkins

1093
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:08,099
endicubs and I have some things to share

1094
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,980
uh but we're coming up on an hour now so

1095
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,680
before we do that I'm going to take care

1096
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,300
of some business here and remind you

1097
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:18,480
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okay and we are back welcome back I uh

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I'm gonna forget this for the rest of my

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life but there is uh another way that

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you can help our show now that we are a

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the show uh if you have an Amazon Prime

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praise the cash just want to do a quick

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tutorial on how to set up Amazon Prime

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to Twitch so if you want to help out

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true Seekers show and Steven I'm going

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to put together a quick tutorial and I'm

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not an expert on this so I was just

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playing around this is how I did it so

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you may find a different way to do it

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but if you're not sure just I'm going to

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walk through what I did first rep here

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in Prime loot now this is on a PC and

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not Apple may be different but at least

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you're going to see what I'm doing on my

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laptop you're gonna see Prime loot up

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here click that on and here you're going

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to have in the purple box to activate

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your free trial and it's free so you

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just go through that it'll take you to

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Prime gaming from here you'll see how to

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activate your Prime gaming I don't think

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this is necessary to get your free

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subscription to Twitch from Amazon Prime

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I just went and did it because I wasn't

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sure what I was playing around so if

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you're not sure if you want to do this

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just skip it and go to the next step

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then over if you do your drop down on

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your Amazon account you're going to have

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this here to say link Twitch account so

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I'm going to click that and all this is

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going to do it's going to link your

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Amazon account with your Twitch account

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so you click link down there in that

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little button and it's going to have

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what is your Twitch name and then your

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name on your Amazon account and I'm

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going to have my name blurred out just

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so everybody's not seeing it I'm going

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to click confirm and it's going to go

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through the processes and that now my

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Amazon account is linked to my Twitch

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account I go back to Twitch and I'm on

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the truth Seekers show and right here

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you got Steven's face there just come

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down here to subscribe click that and

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it's going to bring you all the way down

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here now you can subscribe for 4.99 this

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is very similar to the YouTube

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membership where you can become a member

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on the YouTube side or watch it for free

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here you can subscribe to his channel

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and pay 4.99 a month or you can come up

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here and click this little box say use

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prime sub now it's free now I get one

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month now the thing is is every month I

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have to go out there and re-subscribe

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hopefully they're going to send me an

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email to remind me to do that then I can

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go out there I can click this every

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month and Steve's going to get some

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money from Amazon we do not pay for that

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the Amazon this is part of my Amazon

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Prime subscription that this is just one

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of the services and I didn't realize it

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but Amazon bought twitch that's the

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reason they're putting these two

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together so I'm going to do quick click

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the Subscribe button now I am subscribed

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I got a Founder badge and I got some

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different stuff and clothes and now I am

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subscribed I did not pay anything

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however Steven gets some money to help

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producing the top quality programming

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that he's been doing so go out there and

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praise the cash and sign up for twitch

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subscription especially if you got right

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it doesn't cost you anything and it

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really helps Stephen out thanks

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thanks very much voices in my head on

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Twitter who helped us with that

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Okay so

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we have covered the uh if you're just

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joining us you're watching truth Seekers

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we're broadcasting live on Facebook

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rumbledive and odyssey and I am giving

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an overview of the alien abduction

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phenomenon uh as well as the three most

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well-known researchers and we have

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covered the three most famous cases of

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alien abduction now we're going to get

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into the researchers we're going to

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begin

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with a man named uh John Mack John Mack

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was very interesting to me uh because he

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came from such a prestigious background

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he was a Harvard trained psychiatrist

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uh who became famous for his research on

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alien abduction Mack who passed away in

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2004 was a professor at Harvard Medical

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School and a Pulitzer prize-winning

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author most known for his work on the

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psychological and spiritual aspects of

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alien abduction experiences Max interest

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in Alien Abduction began in the early

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1990s when he began to interview

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individuals who claim to be abducted by

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extraterrestrial beings and an

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interesting aside is that Harvard sort

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of tried to discipline him or

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you know uh

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they called him before like a a board to

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explain why he was uh doing this

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research

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uh and it's interesting that Danny

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Sheehan the well-known

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um UFO guy also a lawyer for people like

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Dr Stephen Greer or Lou Elizondo

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uh represented him and they backed off

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and allowed him to continue his research

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Mac's approach to the subject was unique

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as he did not approach the subject with

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skepticism but with an open mind and

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willingness to listen to the

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experiencers he interviewed over a

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hundred people and wrote two books on

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the subject's abduction human encounters

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with aliens in 1994 and passport to the

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cosmos human transformation and alien

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encounters in 1999. Max research focused

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on the psychological and spiritual

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aspects of alien abduction experiences

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he believed these experiences were not

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just hallucinations or delusions but

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were very real

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he also believed they had a profound

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impact on the individual's Lives who

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experienced them he argued that the

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abduction experience had the potential

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to transform an individual's

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understanding of the world and their

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place in it he also suggested that the

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alien abduction experience could be a

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spiritual awakening and encounters with

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the aliens were not just physical but

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also spiritual

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Max death in 2004 marked the end of an

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error in the field of alien abduction

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research but his work continues to be

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referenced and debated by researchers

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experiencers and Skeptics alike his

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books remain available and his ideas and

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approach continue to be influential in

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the field of abduction research

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um

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one of the things I always found

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fascinating is that this man was a very

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very well educated man and a famous uh

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you know Harvard psychiatrist before he

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ever approached this strange topic or

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subject

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um it's just interesting to me that when

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someone is so well educated they do not

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quickly discount

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people telling these stories and it was

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one of the things reading his books

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especially were one of the things that

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made me rethink my own skepticism

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towards the subject and rethink maybe I

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should be interviewing some of these

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people and I did I began to do that so

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I've got

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a video for each of these famous UFO

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researchers to share and we'll talk

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about we're going to put our fair use

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banner up after all this is a

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transformative work we're educating the

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public and critiquing the videos that we

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are sharing

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this is covered under fair use and is

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certainly allowable by y'all allowable

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by law we will be critiquing And

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discussing the video with the live chat

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which certainly makes it a

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transformative work uh one second let me

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go and let's do this here

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and this is called John Mack human

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encounters with aliens and this is an

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excerpt from a much longer

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[Music]

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I'm bubbling with questions to ask you

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but the first one that I want to come

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back to you use the word spacecraft How

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would how would they or you know that

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what they saw was actually a spacecraft

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often the person has not actually seen

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the spacecraft but often they have a

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number of these cases when they're

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floated through the wall of their home

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through the window through the door

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again this so many of the details of

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these experiences make no sense in our

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kind of what the Newtonian Cartesian

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Western whatever you want to call it the

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Notions of reality and yet the stories

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are consistently described with uh again

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the self-critical attitude that the

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people have and they may you know and

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I've always had you know

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when people are describing their

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experiences of alien abduction

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um I've always been more skeptical

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I have to say I'm a little more

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skeptical when people start saying

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things like yeah I was floated

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out of my bed through my house walls up

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to a craft

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it's a lot to it's a lot to accept uh

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based on just the story

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hold on one second friends

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I did it again I should have uh I should

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have posted this separately so I

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apologize

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uh let's

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one second let me share my screen again

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and we'll try to continue here

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unidentified fine object a a saucer

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shaped or cigar shaped vehicle on the

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01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:25,440
ground of their home uh emanating bright

1389
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:27,480
lights or they may be taken by a small

1390
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,579
craft up into the sky to a kind of

1391
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:31,680
Mother Ship which they see very clearly

1392
01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:35,280
so so many of them actually see the UFOs

1393
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:38,280
that uh it's and the insides are so

1394
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:40,920
uniformly described as rounded curved

1395
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:43,380
walls and complicated instrument panels

1396
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,720
that that it's become clear that it's

1397
01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:48,000
it's some kind of craft in the sky which

1398
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:51,059
they would naturally call a spacecraft I

1399
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:52,859
think people would naturally draw that

1400
01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:54,660
inference but to me it's still an

1401
01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:56,819
inference uh I think you might agree we

1402
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:58,440
don't really know exactly what these

1403
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,299
things are yeah and it has been

1404
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:02,400
suggested that perhaps these are not

1405
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:05,720
actually aliens but future Earthlings

1406
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:10,079
uh in time travel ships or devices

1407
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,540
but it does seem that most people go

1408
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,760
straight to the alien explanation fair

1409
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:17,280
enough I mean you could have a as we do

1410
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:20,579
have very uh this gets really into the

1411
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:22,440
uh

1412
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:24,299
the way of how we know anything because

1413
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,960
our use of language but we call

1414
01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:30,480
something which is seen in the sky and

1415
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,460
which seems to be moving from one place

1416
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:34,559
another we call it a spacecraft now I

1417
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:37,799
agree Chris this has to do with uh where

1418
01:06:43,849 --> 01:06:41,280
our own technology has come to it could

1419
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:43,859
be created as a virtual reality and is

1420
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:46,200
similar appears similar to what we

1421
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:49,980
already know as uh airplane or a certain

1422
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:52,980
type of Aerospace Vehicles so we call it

1423
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:54,839
a space I agree Patty again you know if

1424
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,180
you want to get down to the very core of

1425
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,400
the way language structures reality for

1426
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,440
us you could even question whether

1427
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,660
they're spacecraft yeah and I do

1428
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,299
question I think it's not exactly clear

1429
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,839
what they are just as I think it's not

1430
01:07:15,069 --> 01:07:12,480
exactly clear that they're aliens

1431
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:15,079
could this just as easily be

1432
01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:17,880
interdimensional beings that are somehow

1433
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:21,299
able to shift between their Dimension

1434
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,180
and our own somehow blurring the lines

1435
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,880
of reality for many who have these

1436
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:29,039
experiences isn't it the case that

1437
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,500
you've described in your book uh cases

1438
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:33,420
that were reported let's say a hundred

1439
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:36,359
years ago back in the 19th century of of

1440
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:39,420
people who talked about airships well

1441
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,299
the the articles there by uh Jerome

1442
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:45,000
Clark who's been a student of the UFO

1443
01:07:50,089 --> 01:07:46,500
phenomenon for many years and he went

1444
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:50,099
back and looked into the newspaper

1445
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:52,760
accounts of the Airship craze of the

1446
01:07:59,630 --> 01:07:56,640
last decade of the of the 19th century

1447
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,640
and many of those Vehicles would look

1448
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:01,680
kind of like balloons or looked like the

1449
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:03,480
technology of the time but he went

1450
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,380
further than that he actually uh

1451
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,960
did an exhaustive search of all of the

1452
01:08:13,609 --> 01:08:11,520
photographs he could find in the

1453
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:13,619
descriptions and lo and behold many of

1454
01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:16,500
them did appear very much like the

1455
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:19,380
current modern day UFO but yeah and

1456
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,239
really I think it depends on who you ask

1457
01:08:28,269 --> 01:08:24,540
about that after all there were people

1458
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,279
reporting uh somewhat similar experience

1459
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:31,199
experiences to the modern

1460
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:34,020
alien abduction experiences but their

1461
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:36,299
perception was that it was demonic or

1462
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:39,960
Angelic the beings that they experienced

1463
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,020
so I've often wondered if if these

1464
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:45,359
people are

1465
01:08:50,650 --> 01:08:48,420
having these experiences but what they

1466
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:50,660
are whether demonic alien

1467
01:08:56,930 --> 01:08:55,080
interdimensional or alien is they're

1468
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:56,940
reaching those conclusions through a

1469
01:09:02,570 --> 01:08:59,940
cultural lens the people of the time did

1470
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:02,580
not have in the in our culture the

1471
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,400
technological knowledge to actually see

1472
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:07,920
them as what they were so he's concluded

1473
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,040
that these were probably UFOs not so

1474
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,259
different from what we're seeing now but

1475
01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:15,679
our perceptual

1476
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:17,640
development hadn't reached the point

1477
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:20,100
where they could be perceived The Way We

1478
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:23,160
Now can see things in this guy more or

1479
01:09:27,709 --> 01:09:26,279
less as we at least think they are and

1480
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,719
again you're raising the question

1481
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:29,940
whether even that's a actual or

1482
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:33,359
constructed reality well

1483
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:34,859
um or we could take this in so many

1484
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,660
different directions let's let's go back

1485
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:38,400
further into the past because the the

1486
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,759
accounts uh don't just begin even in the

1487
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:43,980
19th century do they yeah it's very

1488
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,020
interesting that there is substantial

1489
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:48,000
and supportive evidence of similar

1490
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:51,299
experiences that humans have had

1491
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,100
some would say for thousands of years

1492
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:55,980
sake well again uh if you go back into

1493
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,380
the Early times you know ezekiel's wheel

1494
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:00,960
which is now many UFOs I think that was

1495
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,160
a UFO or Chariot scene uh in the sky or

1496
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:07,920
you go back to the fairies that kidnap

1497
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,140
people in Ireland and other countries

1498
01:10:15,770 --> 01:10:13,679
there is a some similarities but you're

1499
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,780
dealing there with oral traditions and

1500
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,000
it's it's an easy leap of mind to say

1501
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:20,940
well we've had this going on all through

1502
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:22,980
the centuries and through the Millennia

1503
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:25,560
even the problem with that is the

1504
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,719
methods of knowing then were so

1505
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:29,760
different you you need to compare a

1506
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,980
phenomenon you have to use more or less

1507
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,040
the same investigative method and our

1508
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:38,159
methods now as well as of course our

1509
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:40,500
perceptual our perceptual capabilities

1510
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,020
are so different yeah and that's very

1511
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:46,400
true I mean uh some people who

1512
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:48,540
experienced these things before the

1513
01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:50,760
Modern Age would tell their priests

1514
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:52,620
about them and their priests would

1515
01:10:56,810 --> 01:10:53,580
inform

1516
01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:56,820
their belief in what the encounter or

1517
01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:59,340
experience was about much like I

1518
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:00,900
mentioned um

1519
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:03,900
growing up Catholic the priests and nuns

1520
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,840
believed that Whitley strieber was not

1521
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:09,600
seeing aliens he was seeing demons and

1522
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:12,540
he was being deceived into believing

1523
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:15,540
that what he was seeing was aliens from

1524
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:17,400
another planet when it was in fact

1525
01:11:22,189 --> 01:11:19,860
demonic entities for example just take

1526
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,199
the matter of clinical study

1527
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:24,239
the people that were reporting those

1528
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:25,800
experiences weren't being studied

1529
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:29,460
clinically now uh we have a tradition of

1530
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:31,020
when somebody's had an unusual

1531
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,940
experience or something that doesn't fit

1532
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:35,520
or you want to investigate you talk to

1533
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:37,380
that person in great detail you get

1534
01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:39,659
other Witnesses what they've seen so we

1535
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:43,580
have a a kind of body of investigative

1536
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:47,520
Tradition now that can document what's

1537
01:11:53,649 --> 01:11:50,580
going on so from that point of view this

1538
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:53,659
appears to have some distinct features

1539
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:56,340
yeah and I've always had a problem

1540
01:12:02,950 --> 01:11:59,400
however with people who equate people

1541
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:02,960
telling similar stories uh with proof

1542
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,640
just because people are telling similar

1543
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:08,159
stories to me does not indicate that

1544
01:12:14,030 --> 01:12:11,400
they're all telling the truth and many

1545
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,040
of these researchers I have seen have

1546
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:16,800
sort of used that as a form of proof and

1547
01:12:21,410 --> 01:12:19,020
Patty Wilhelm is here and says easy for

1548
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,420
folks even the very educated to fall

1549
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,239
down the rabbit hole I absolutely agree

1550
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,219
but I've always been fascinated with

1551
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:29,760
very very educated people who believe

1552
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,460
that these are real and and valid

1553
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:34,800
experiences and not just

1554
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:38,640
stories or imaginings or sleep paralysis

1555
01:12:43,149 --> 01:12:41,400
or something else that's probably one of

1556
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:43,159
the things that keeps me interested

1557
01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:45,780
obviously this man is incredibly much

1558
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:48,780
more educated than me and the fact that

1559
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:51,320
he's so educated and still

1560
01:12:58,189 --> 01:12:55,380
believes it it kind of uh changes my

1561
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:58,199
view but I do I understand just because

1562
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:00,840
a PhD wrote it down it must be true yeah

1563
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:03,540
I guess that you know people are big

1564
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,440
though on uh experts right the expert

1565
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,080
believes that it's true

1566
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:12,480
um so we're going to move on to our next

1567
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,480
candidate which would be

1568
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,960
um another famous researcher of alien

1569
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:21,360
abduction phenomenon

1570
01:13:28,189 --> 01:13:24,900
and uh we're gonna say The Best For Last

1571
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,199
however uh well the best video I should

1572
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:29,760
say

1573
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,100
okay so uh our next uh famous

1574
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,159
well-known researcher into the alien

1575
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:41,280
abduction phenomenon and I hate to keep

1576
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:42,840
harping on the point but I will mention

1577
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:44,940
again that all of these people who are

1578
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:47,460
the most well-known alien abduction

1579
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:49,739
researchers are also the people that

1580
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:53,159
profit the most from perpetuating the

1581
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:56,280
stories the mythology and the uh

1582
01:14:02,990 --> 01:13:59,820
interest in the subject uh our next

1583
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,000
person is David Jacobs he was an

1584
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,760
American historian and a retired

1585
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,679
associate professor at Temple University

1586
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,960
right near where I grew up

1587
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,820
he's known for his research on the

1588
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:14,640
phenomenon of alien abduction Jacobs

1589
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,120
began his research into alien abduction

1590
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:20,640
in the 1970s and over the course of his

1591
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,500
career he interviewed hundreds of

1592
01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:24,000
individuals who claimed to have been

1593
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:26,820
abducted by extraterrestrial beings

1594
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,460
and I I find it very fascinating that

1595
01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:31,440
each of these researchers they're not

1596
01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:33,480
interviewing the same hundred hundreds

1597
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,659
of people they each have found hundreds

1598
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:38,820
of people on their own I'm sure there

1599
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,400
might be some crossover but many of them

1600
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,679
are interviewing each of these three

1601
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:45,440
famous well-known

1602
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:49,460
alien abduction researchers are all

1603
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:51,659
interviewed have all interviewed

1604
01:14:57,470 --> 01:14:55,320
hundreds of people telling these stories

1605
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:57,480
and and that makes me wonder like how

1606
01:15:02,990 --> 01:15:00,780
many people are having these experiences

1607
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,000
it's it's got to be hundreds and

1608
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:04,560
hundreds and hundreds of people for them

1609
01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:07,560
to so easily be able to continually

1610
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:10,380
interview people who have been inter uh

1611
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:12,420
abducted apparently or claimed to have

1612
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:16,159
been abducted by extraterrestrial beings

1613
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:18,900
uh Jacob's findings were detailed in

1614
01:15:22,930 --> 01:15:20,699
several books including the UFO

1615
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:22,940
controversy in America in

1616
01:15:28,669 --> 01:15:26,699
1975 the threat the secret agenda what

1617
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:28,679
the aliens really want and how they plan

1618
01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:32,219
to get it in 1998. Jacob's research

1619
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,199
focuses on the examination of the

1620
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,760
abduction phenomenon and its

1621
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,400
implications for Human Society

1622
01:15:43,310 --> 01:15:40,560
he's conducted extensive interviews with

1623
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:43,320
his subjects and again we come back to

1624
01:15:47,810 --> 01:15:46,440
hypnosis Jacobs also uses hypnosis and

1625
01:15:51,169 --> 01:15:47,820
other techniques to help them remember

1626
01:15:53,209 --> 01:15:51,179
details of their experiences

1627
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:53,219
he also analyzed and compared the

1628
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:55,140
abduction experiences of the subject

1629
01:16:00,169 --> 01:15:56,699
with the goal of understanding the

1630
01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:00,179
motivations and goals of the aliens

1631
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,520
one of the main ideas that Jacobs

1632
01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:03,840
proposed is that the abduction

1633
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:06,620
phenomenon is a form of long-term

1634
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:09,900
systematic breeding program conducted by

1635
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:12,600
extraterrestrial beings and by the way

1636
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,100
David Jacobs original book in 1975 was

1637
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:19,920
much more science based and grounded in

1638
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:22,860
reality but it would appear as it

1639
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:25,260
continued to work more UFO conferences

1640
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:28,920
and continue his research his claims got

1641
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:31,679
more and more Grand and lately you will

1642
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,140
find him claiming that there are alien

1643
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,480
hybrids all over the world walking right

1644
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:38,159
among us and we wouldn't know that

1645
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:40,500
they're alien hybrids and there's some

1646
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:43,620
secret plan to take over Earth by slowly

1647
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:46,980
breeding alien human hybrids and taking

1648
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:49,380
over Earth sort of stealthily

1649
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:52,980
it gets really really out there the

1650
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:57,600
longer you you listen to Mr Jacobs

1651
01:17:02,270 --> 01:16:59,880
one of the main ideas he proposed is

1652
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:02,280
this systematic breeding program he

1653
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,960
argues that aliens are genetically

1654
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:06,000
altering humans to create a hybrid

1655
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:08,940
species that will be more amenable to

1656
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:10,920
their agenda and that the alien's

1657
01:17:15,649 --> 01:17:13,140
ultimate goal is to take over Earth and

1658
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:15,659
replace humans with their alien human

1659
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:19,320
hybrid a new species of humans

1660
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,219
that is a mix of their DNA and our own

1661
01:17:28,010 --> 01:17:25,920
Jacob's work

1662
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:28,020
as you can well imagine has been met

1663
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,640
with a lot of criticism from the

1664
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:31,500
scientific Community who argue his

1665
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:33,659
theories lack any evidence and his work

1666
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:36,900
is very unscientific

1667
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,060
some have also pointed out that Jacob's

1668
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:41,760
ideas have an era of paranoia and that

1669
01:17:45,169 --> 01:17:43,260
there are explanations for the

1670
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:45,179
phenomenons again such as Sleep

1671
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:48,360
Disorders or psychological conditions

1672
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:51,300
still however in the field of ufology

1673
01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:54,300
and in circles of people interested in

1674
01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,260
Aliens Jacob Jacob's work remains uh

1675
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:00,840
a valuable contribution to the field of

1676
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,600
alien abduction research whose books

1677
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:05,040
continue to be widely read and

1678
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:07,260
referenced he does interviews with many

1679
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,380
popular shows that cover these subjects

1680
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,960
and he continues to present his ideas at

1681
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:15,239
UFL conferences and lectures and his

1682
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,340
research continues to be studied and

1683
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:19,440
debated

1684
01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:20,820
um

1685
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:23,580
it's interesting however that recently

1686
01:18:29,209 --> 01:18:26,340
Mr Jacobs had some controversies

1687
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:29,219
surrounding him it would appear that Mr

1688
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:32,820
Jacobs was asking a female alien

1689
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:36,060
abduction victim to send him panties and

1690
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:37,380
that became quite a source of

1691
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:39,659
controversy we did a whole joke show on

1692
01:18:46,669 --> 01:18:43,460
it called PhD panty gate

1693
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:46,679
Believers or supporters of Jacob's

1694
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:48,600
claimed that he needed the panties for

1695
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:50,699
the scientific research or to check them

1696
01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:52,860
for alien spooge

1697
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:54,840
that's right he had to check those

1698
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:57,659
panties to see if there was alien spooge

1699
01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:00,840
or DNA on the panties

1700
01:19:05,689 --> 01:19:03,300
um but people very critical of him

1701
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:05,699
essentially called Mr Jacobs a sex

1702
01:19:10,910 --> 01:19:08,820
creeper who liked to sniff panties

1703
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,920
um of females

1704
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:13,440
take from that what you will

1705
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:18,960
and I have a uh a video to share as well

1706
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:21,719
uh we'll just take a sampling of each of

1707
01:19:24,590 --> 01:19:23,880
these people

1708
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:24,600
um

1709
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:29,120
Dr David Jacobs on the alien his his

1710
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:31,620
stuff is really really out there

1711
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:34,679
essentially Mr Jacobs is claiming that

1712
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:37,320
all these people are being taken so that

1713
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:39,900
the aliens can steal genetic material

1714
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:49,130
uteruses even and sperm from Men

1715
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:52,440
and his some of his stories get very

1716
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,060
sexual in nature uh including that they

1717
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,480
will take a male victim and then send in

1718
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:02,400
some alien hybrids that look close

1719
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:05,820
enough to humans to

1720
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:10,440
you know extract the the sperm from him

1721
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,380
right they gotta extract the guy's sperm

1722
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,080
so they send in a sexy alien hybrid

1723
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,719
chick that's naked and it gets very

1724
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,400
sexual and a little creepy and

1725
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:22,560
disturbing right especially when you

1726
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:25,020
consider he was asking female abduction

1727
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,179
victims for their panties and things

1728
01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:30,480
when you couple that with his often very

1729
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:31,640
uh

1730
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:33,719
sexualized stories

1731
01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:36,600
it's a little disturbing and so he

1732
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,580
essentially claims that all of these

1733
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,280
every alien abduction is to get genetic

1734
01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:43,199
material so that the aliens can make

1735
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:45,780
more hybrids and that they now have

1736
01:20:51,169 --> 01:20:49,380
alien hybrids that are living among us

1737
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:51,179
and you wouldn't be able to spot them

1738
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:54,540
because they look so close to Human

1739
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:56,940
um I think this is a bridge too far for

1740
01:21:02,330 --> 01:21:00,239
me and uh though I remember

1741
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:02,340
somewhere along the lines probably in

1742
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:06,120
the 90s I got his 1975 book and enjoyed

1743
01:21:10,510 --> 01:21:07,800
it that was a little more grounded in

1744
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,520
reality more about the experience

1745
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:13,440
as time went on his claims became

1746
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:16,260
grander and grander and now he wants

1747
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:18,780
everybody to believe that there is a

1748
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:21,960
entire breeding program and that's what

1749
01:21:28,189 --> 01:21:25,260
all these abductions are about

1750
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:28,199
all right so we're gonna cite fair use

1751
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:30,600
and we'll listen to uh some of Mr

1752
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:37,250
he says in the past I was completely

1753
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:39,000
convinced that hybrids were not walking

1754
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,940
around with us that notion was silly and

1755
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,880
evidence-free in recent years however I

1756
01:21:48,530 --> 01:21:46,560
have found mounting evidence that has

1757
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:48,540
forced me to change my mind

1758
01:21:53,689 --> 01:21:51,780
and to be clear his mounting evidence is

1759
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:53,699
people telling him stories he doesn't

1760
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:55,860
have evidence he has stories people told

1761
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,699
him

1762
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,980
he goes on to say I now believe it might

1763
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:01,440
be very well be possible that hybrids

1764
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,260
are integrating into society this must

1765
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:05,760
be an old video because now he says it's

1766
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:07,140
definitely happening

1767
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:09,000
and therefore actually walking around

1768
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:10,140
here

1769
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:13,140
I feel somewhat foolish saying this but

1770
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,300
I have to go where the evidence leads me

1771
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:17,520
and alas it has led me to this position

1772
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,580
and again his evidence is people telling

1773
01:22:30,010 --> 01:22:22,800
him stories he doesn't have any physical

1774
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:33,830
I'm sorry get this cued up

1775
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,600
and here's a scene from a supposed Alien

1776
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:38,400
Abduction of course they're always

1777
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,400
drawings or computer generated graphic

1778
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:42,880
we never get a real picture

1779
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:50,090
I began to think that the process of

1780
01:22:54,050 --> 01:22:51,840
hybridization which I had envisioned

1781
01:22:55,850 --> 01:22:54,060
before is primarily taking sperm and

1782
01:22:58,010 --> 01:22:55,860
eggs and then altering the the embryo or

1783
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:58,020
the zygote uh

1784
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,040
um and then uh leading to this sort of a

1785
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:04,560
a bell-shaped curve of have you know

1786
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:07,140
part of the alien bottoman look human

1787
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:09,719
Muslim look in the middle that that was

1788
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:13,140
probably true but not the whole story

1789
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:15,420
and then I began to realize that what

1790
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:17,880
they were doing is that they were adding

1791
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:20,100
DNA from hybrids

1792
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:23,820
to the uh Spearman egg and they were

1793
01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:24,900
getting

1794
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:27,960
a skewed bell-shaped curve that was

1795
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,179
looking more and more like like humans

1796
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:31,920
and if you do this enough time you just

1797
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:34,440
get beings look more and more human-like

1798
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,540
more and more you got a refining of the

1799
01:23:40,250 --> 01:23:38,699
species in a sense yeah and it's

1800
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:40,260
interesting that

1801
01:23:45,169 --> 01:23:41,340
um

1802
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,179
many people do tell stories of uh

1803
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,040
feeling like they are getting their

1804
01:23:52,189 --> 01:23:49,679
sperm extracted or their eggs extracted

1805
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,199
during these alien experiences so I

1806
01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:54,000
guess it's not a giant leap to think

1807
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,100
that they're doing something with those

1808
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,800
genetic materials I guess the problem

1809
01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:00,840
that I've always had with Mr Jacobs is

1810
01:24:06,290 --> 01:24:04,199
that his only evidence is dude trust me

1811
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:06,300
somebody told me this

1812
01:24:10,669 --> 01:24:08,219
and uh

1813
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:10,679
I I don't think that's enough to form

1814
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:15,120
such a Fantastical claim you know

1815
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:19,199
and uh that apparently is what has been

1816
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,380
what has been happening uh

1817
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:24,480
although how the process I'm still a

1818
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,980
little bit unclear the process and then

1819
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:27,120
there were some very pointy questions

1820
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:29,040
asked me about this once by a person who

1821
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:30,840
knew what he was talking about that I

1822
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,920
couldn't answer

1823
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:34,320
and so I don't know I don't know I'll

1824
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:36,540
I'll the the medical procedures that

1825
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:40,620
occur here in that sense but but I do

1826
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,580
know that there is a spectrum of hybrids

1827
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:47,280
who look mainly alien and look manly

1828
01:24:54,410 --> 01:24:51,600
human and some look really really human

1829
01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:54,420
yeah and it's interesting you know if

1830
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:56,580
you were to ask Mr Jacobs how come we

1831
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:58,140
can't tell these hybrids are walking

1832
01:25:01,610 --> 01:24:59,460
Among Us

1833
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,620
it seems to me to be very convenient

1834
01:25:05,870 --> 01:25:03,900
excuse that well they look entirely

1835
01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:05,880
human

1836
01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:08,100
um and also I just wonder from an

1837
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,739
evolutionary biology perspective

1838
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:13,140
you know if these aliens came here from

1839
01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:14,880
a whole different star system they might

1840
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:16,020
have different

1841
01:25:21,530 --> 01:25:18,900
evolutionary process they might not even

1842
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:21,540
be carbon based there's some evidence to

1843
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:23,340
suggest that there might be life based

1844
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:26,280
on other elements like Silicon or you

1845
01:25:33,649 --> 01:25:31,440
know I don't know other elements why

1846
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,659
it's just a stretch to me to say yeah

1847
01:25:37,610 --> 01:25:35,280
we're genetically compatible and they're

1848
01:25:40,189 --> 01:25:37,620
able to hybridize with us if we look to

1849
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:40,199
Nature things have to be Incredibly

1850
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:44,820
Close to be able to interbreed or

1851
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:48,480
reproduce you know you you can get a

1852
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:50,820
lion and a tiger well they're both big

1853
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,120
cats and you can get a liger but you

1854
01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:56,460
can't get a tiger and a person you can't

1855
01:26:00,890 --> 01:25:59,400
get you know and you can't even to the

1856
01:26:03,169 --> 01:26:00,900
best of my knowledge even though there's

1857
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:03,179
been some crazy experiments into it and

1858
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:06,719
we've did a show on this the human Z you

1859
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:09,300
can't even get a chimpanzee and human

1860
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:14,219
hybrid to work and we're 98 genetically

1861
01:26:17,689 --> 01:26:15,360
compatible

1862
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,699
so what are the odds that we're a

1863
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:19,500
hundred percent genetically compatible

1864
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:21,900
with an alien species from another star

1865
01:26:24,169 --> 01:26:22,860
system

1866
01:26:26,450 --> 01:26:24,179
but

1867
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:26,460
these are inconvenient facts they don't

1868
01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:28,500
help you bringing up these questions

1869
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:31,020
don't help these people sell the stories

1870
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:33,600
so they never really talk about that but

1871
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,100
if you talk to

1872
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:37,440
you know a medical doctor or an

1873
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:39,300
evolutionary biologist or somebody

1874
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:43,320
familiar with uh you know reproduction

1875
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,280
they'll tell you that species have to be

1876
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,960
incredibly genetically compatible in

1877
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:51,840
order to create hybrids

1878
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:54,420
but Mr Jacobs would have us believe that

1879
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:57,600
some alien beings that may be for all we

1880
01:27:05,450 --> 01:27:01,980
know not mammals but reptiles or

1881
01:27:08,810 --> 01:27:05,460
I don't know uh insectoid in nature are

1882
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:08,820
somehow still able to create hybrids

1883
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:11,100
along with us

1884
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,460
it's it's just a stretch to me

1885
01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:16,320
then people will begin to describe to me

1886
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:17,820
how they would be taken into a room

1887
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,340
these are abductees and their attention

1888
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:22,880
would be a a

1889
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:26,520
directed to a screen like device

1890
01:27:30,169 --> 01:27:28,620
they all look up at the screen

1891
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:30,179
and

1892
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:33,960
couple of these kinds of events up

1893
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:36,840
although I heard many of them

1894
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:38,760
the person will see

1895
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:42,120
a picnic for example and at the picnic

1896
01:27:44,689 --> 01:27:43,260
there'll be people who are playing ball

1897
01:27:45,950 --> 01:27:44,699
and who are grilling and who are

1898
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:45,960
standing around talking this and that

1899
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:47,820
and they'll hear in their Mind's Eye

1900
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:50,040
their mind's ear

1901
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,900
can you tell the difference between you

1902
01:27:56,209 --> 01:27:54,000
and us

1903
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:56,219
yeah and it's very very common that

1904
01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:58,020
people during these abduction experience

1905
01:28:03,470 --> 01:28:00,900
are shown screens or other viewing

1906
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,480
devices and ask questions

1907
01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:05,760
there's a pretty common occurrence I've

1908
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:07,739
noticed and the person will look

1909
01:28:13,570 --> 01:28:11,520
carefully at the screen and say

1910
01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:13,580
no

1911
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:18,600
they'll say see isn't that wonderful

1912
01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:21,960
isn't that excellent soon we will all be

1913
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:24,360
together soon we will be here and we

1914
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:25,860
will all be living together isn't that

1915
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:27,239
wonderful

1916
01:28:34,490 --> 01:28:30,540
or they will see here's another case

1917
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:34,500
yeah interesting so essentially they

1918
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,500
want to use humans to check like how

1919
01:28:41,709 --> 01:28:39,600
good is our alien hybrids how good do

1920
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:41,719
they look can you tell the difference

1921
01:28:47,090 --> 01:28:44,340
uh very strange

1922
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:47,100
it's a group shot of all sorts of people

1923
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:50,040
like a high school shot of other class

1924
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:52,860
on steps you know that sort of thing and

1925
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:56,340
they'll say can you pick out us among

1926
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,540
you here

1927
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,040
and the person will look and try to

1928
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:01,440
figure it out and say no no I I can't

1929
01:29:07,010 --> 01:29:04,139
and they'll say see isn't that wonderful

1930
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:07,020
soon we will all be together and I began

1931
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,199
to hear this a lot by people who were

1932
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,719
not aware of anybody else's testimony or

1933
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:14,880
anything like that or you know just

1934
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:16,620
saying that and who didn't really

1935
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:17,940
understand the meaning of what it was

1936
01:29:22,370 --> 01:29:18,960
either

1937
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:22,380
that is very strange if people as I said

1938
01:29:28,189 --> 01:29:24,060
from different backgrounds and things

1939
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:28,199
would be telling that specific story

1940
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,060
but what are the odds that he finds

1941
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:32,100
these people that are having the exact

1942
01:29:37,550 --> 01:29:34,920
or incredibly similar experiences to

1943
01:29:40,729 --> 01:29:37,560
this that just so happened out of every

1944
01:29:42,649 --> 01:29:40,739
person on Earth to find him to both tell

1945
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:42,659
their stories to

1946
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,540
um and by the way Mr Jacobs keeps most

1947
01:29:51,169 --> 01:29:48,000
of his sources or so-called sources

1948
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:51,179
Anonymous so no one else can verify that

1949
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,460
they even exist to the best of my

1950
01:29:57,709 --> 01:29:55,800
knowledge and recollection or no one

1951
01:30:00,050 --> 01:29:57,719
else can interview them and fact check

1952
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,060
him and say did you tell him that you

1953
01:30:03,410 --> 01:30:01,920
saw a screen and they were asking you to

1954
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:03,420
check if you could tell which one was

1955
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,120
the alien we don't get to fact check him

1956
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:09,360
ever I think that's

1957
01:30:16,970 --> 01:30:15,350
and then people would say they would

1958
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:16,980
then these beings would tell them soon

1959
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:17,940
there was going to be a big change

1960
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:19,020
there'll be a big change and you're

1961
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:20,159
going to be a very important part of the

1962
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:21,300
change and you know you're going to be

1963
01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:23,580
you'll be have a a job to do and you'll

1964
01:30:26,750 --> 01:30:25,380
be very pleased to do it and to that to

1965
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:26,760
the objectives we don't know what

1966
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,860
they're talking about

1967
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:31,199
but this will happen soon everything's

1968
01:30:34,189 --> 01:30:32,699
gonna happen soon and it's going to be

1969
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:34,199
happening soon though that's the change

1970
01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:35,280
they're gonna be we're going to have a

1971
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,060
change the change is coming soon

1972
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:40,800
well I begin you know when you hear

1973
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:42,659
things for the first time you always put

1974
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:44,040
it on the back burner waiting for

1975
01:30:47,629 --> 01:30:45,360
validation from other people who are

1976
01:30:49,090 --> 01:30:47,639
unaware of the testimony and here it

1977
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:49,100
comes again

1978
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:53,340
David Jacobs is one of the UFO or excuse

1979
01:30:58,970 --> 01:30:55,800
me alien abduction researchers who seems

1980
01:31:01,209 --> 01:30:58,980
to claim or make the case that if

1981
01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:01,219
separate people tell him the same story

1982
01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:05,580
both stories must be true and uh

1983
01:31:11,629 --> 01:31:08,520
again I have a problem with that

1984
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:11,639
that's a stretch calling that evidence

1985
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:14,760
is it is it an interesting thing that

1986
01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:16,320
multiple people are telling you similar

1987
01:31:20,270 --> 01:31:17,699
stories sure

1988
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:20,280
but we've talked about it here before

1989
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,860
and I hate to call them wackadus but for

1990
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,440
the purposes of this I will if one

1991
01:31:30,530 --> 01:31:28,080
Wackadoo tells the same story that

1992
01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:30,540
another Wackadoo tells it doesn't mean

1993
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:32,940
that both wackados are telling the truth

1994
01:31:38,689 --> 01:31:36,300
and we see this acceptance of this

1995
01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:38,699
philosophy not just an alien abduction

1996
01:31:43,870 --> 01:31:40,500
research but in secret space program

1997
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:43,880
research and super soldier research

1998
01:31:48,770 --> 01:31:46,860
many of these so-called researchers by

1999
01:31:51,169 --> 01:31:48,780
the way all of which are profiting from

2000
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:51,179
their so-called research let's be very

2001
01:31:56,090 --> 01:31:52,560
clear on that

2002
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:56,100
they all seem to claim that because two

2003
01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:58,199
separate people told them a similar or

2004
01:32:01,250 --> 01:32:00,420
the same story both must be telling the

2005
01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:01,260
truth

2006
01:32:05,890 --> 01:32:03,900
and I don't believe that that is the

2007
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:05,900
case

2008
01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:08,580
well so the first few times I heard this

2009
01:32:13,310 --> 01:32:10,440
I just you just blow it off you just

2010
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:13,320
think well I'll wait if I never hear it

2011
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:16,320
again there is no change you know uh but

2012
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:19,739
I began to hear it over and over again

2013
01:32:24,649 --> 01:32:22,860
from a wide variety of people something

2014
01:32:26,270 --> 01:32:24,659
is happening in the future some change

2015
01:32:29,390 --> 01:32:26,280
was going to happen they had some role

2016
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:29,400
in the future this was going to happen

2017
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,639
they began to convince

2018
01:32:38,930 --> 01:32:35,040
I just want to mention uh for purposes

2019
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:38,940
of Truth and transparency I live very

2020
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:42,000
close to Mr Jacobs and I have asked him

2021
01:32:45,530 --> 01:32:43,800
for interviews

2022
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:45,540
um

2023
01:32:51,290 --> 01:32:48,360
probably five times at least

2024
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,300
and uh

2025
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:54,719
I believe in one of those exchanges he

2026
01:33:01,129 --> 01:32:57,600
said well what kind of questions did you

2027
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:01,139
have and I said I'd like to see your

2028
01:33:06,649 --> 01:33:04,560
research I'd like to uh speak to these

2029
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:06,659
people who are you're saying or telling

2030
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,340
you the same story

2031
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:10,800
after that he ghosted me he would not

2032
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,199
respond to any messages so

2033
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,320
I sort of became convinced that he's

2034
01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:17,760
using

2035
01:33:22,850 --> 01:33:21,000
sources that he will not share

2036
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,860
why

2037
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:24,900
I will agree to a non-disclosure

2038
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:29,760
agreement I won't violate any uh trust I

2039
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,840
won't

2040
01:33:35,209 --> 01:33:32,400
um you know

2041
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,219
blast their names and addresses on the

2042
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:37,440
internet but I want to speak to them and

2043
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:39,120
verify that the things that you are

2044
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,860
saying actually occurred and people

2045
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,920
really told you that suddenly he doesn't

2046
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:45,840
want any part of an interview

2047
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:48,900
I find that incredibly suspicious

2048
01:33:54,530 --> 01:33:51,360
if what you're saying is true why not

2049
01:33:57,709 --> 01:33:54,540
allow me or another competent researcher

2050
01:34:00,830 --> 01:33:57,719
to uh interview these people

2051
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:00,840
and uh sort of check his claims but

2052
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:03,239
again I don't think that that helps when

2053
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:05,040
you're trying to sell books

2054
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,360
to question the narratives to me because

2055
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,760
the first time I heard it it came out of

2056
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:13,199
the blue and the second time I heard it

2057
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:14,760
it came out of the blue I made it

2058
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:17,880
sounded like I was leading him to it

2059
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:19,800
I I didn't even believe it had happened

2060
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:22,560
in the first place so because you have

2061
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,260
to wait for confirmation so you you know

2062
01:34:30,110 --> 01:34:27,840
you don't it's not like I'm leading

2063
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:30,120
people it's like they're leading me

2064
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:32,760
I instituted controls for that

2065
01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:34,440
eventually

2066
01:34:39,050 --> 01:34:35,820
which I can tell you about if you want

2067
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:39,060
the kind of fun controls but

2068
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:40,800
um just to see to show you how it

2069
01:34:44,450 --> 01:34:42,120
doesn't work the way people think it

2070
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:44,460
works but um

2071
01:34:49,370 --> 01:34:47,400
the point is is that so again all of

2072
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:49,380
these separate people told him similar

2073
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,239
the same stories therefore the story

2074
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:53,280
must be true

2075
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,000
um

2076
01:34:58,610 --> 01:34:56,400
I I think that's incredibly suspicious

2077
01:35:00,770 --> 01:34:58,620
and the fact that he would not you know

2078
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,780
he won't release the names of any of

2079
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:02,400
these people he claims to be getting the

2080
01:35:06,830 --> 01:35:04,800
stories from and again I'm not claiming

2081
01:35:09,290 --> 01:35:06,840
that he is just making up these stories

2082
01:35:11,149 --> 01:35:09,300
but if you had real sources that were

2083
01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:11,159
telling you these things why not share

2084
01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:14,580
them with other competent researchers it

2085
01:35:18,770 --> 01:35:16,440
seems very suspicious to me that he will

2086
01:35:21,770 --> 01:35:18,780
not do that and his books are largely

2087
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,780
filled with pseudonyms Anonymous sources

2088
01:35:25,729 --> 01:35:23,040
and more

2089
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:25,739
it's the dude trust me somebody told me

2090
01:35:32,209 --> 01:35:29,460
school of uh research and I find that

2091
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:32,219
problematic equally problematic with Mr

2092
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:35,699
Jacobs is that he's a history professor

2093
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:38,340
uh and suddenly he's

2094
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:41,280
um an expert in hypnotic regression as

2095
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,760
well and extracting

2096
01:35:49,550 --> 01:35:47,280
um memories from people that were

2097
01:35:51,610 --> 01:35:49,560
repressed that they had no idea about

2098
01:35:54,290 --> 01:35:51,620
suddenly he starts

2099
01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:54,300
his hypnotic regressions and they're

2100
01:35:59,629 --> 01:35:56,100
remembering all kinds of alien

2101
01:36:03,410 --> 01:35:59,639
experiences I find that extrematic all

2102
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:03,420
of these UFO Abduction researchers

2103
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:06,600
um using hypnotic techniques

2104
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:09,000
or in some cases full-on hypnotic

2105
01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:12,239
regressions to recover lost memories

2106
01:36:18,590 --> 01:36:16,199
and despite the benefits that I think I

2107
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:18,600
think hypnosis certainly has a great

2108
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:22,260
deal of benefits clinically and for for

2109
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,260
different things especially in the cases

2110
01:36:31,610 --> 01:36:28,320
of criminal investigations did you know

2111
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,620
that there have been many

2112
01:36:35,570 --> 01:36:33,360
Cold Case

2113
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,580
crimes that have been solved because

2114
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:38,159
let's say for example somebody saw a

2115
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:39,780
license plate but they only remembered

2116
01:36:44,209 --> 01:36:40,980
two digits

2117
01:36:45,950 --> 01:36:44,219
a qualified hypnotherapist or hypnotic

2118
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:45,960
regression specialist will put that

2119
01:36:50,030 --> 01:36:47,880
person under hypnosis and get the rest

2120
01:36:51,709 --> 01:36:50,040
of that license plate suddenly the

2121
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:51,719
police have their suspect and the case

2122
01:36:56,270 --> 01:36:54,239
is solved that's certainly a wonderful

2123
01:36:58,970 --> 01:36:56,280
use of

2124
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,980
recovering memories from hypnotic

2125
01:37:02,930 --> 01:37:00,480
regression

2126
01:37:05,689 --> 01:37:02,940
but when it gets into this

2127
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:05,699
people suddenly remembering you know all

2128
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:08,880
kinds of experiences with aliens

2129
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,400
and I have listened to some of Mr Jacobs

2130
01:37:16,189 --> 01:37:13,440
specifically hypnotic regressions seem

2131
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:16,199
to be to be very leading questions like

2132
01:37:22,910 --> 01:37:19,260
where did the alien take you

2133
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,920
what did the alien do to you well why

2134
01:37:27,709 --> 01:37:24,960
would you even say alien that's a

2135
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:27,719
leading question by itself

2136
01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:31,679
um I'm very suspicious of Mr Jacobs now

2137
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:34,020
we get to uh one of the other original

2138
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:37,380
person people and that would be

2139
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:38,760
um

2140
01:37:46,570 --> 01:37:42,960
but Hopkins who you may recall was also

2141
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:46,580
married to Leslie Keane famous for that

2142
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,159
2016 article and these people both

2143
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,800
Leslie Keane and Bud Hopkins are sort of

2144
01:37:57,470 --> 01:37:54,719
True Believers in many things including

2145
01:38:02,570 --> 01:37:57,480
your death experiences past lives aliens

2146
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,580
demons ghosts poltergeists the works

2147
01:38:07,490 --> 01:38:05,040
um but Bud Hopkins was an American

2148
01:38:08,689 --> 01:38:07,500
Artist and author who became one of the

2149
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,699
most well-known and respected

2150
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:10,320
researchers in the field of alien

2151
01:38:14,209 --> 01:38:11,400
abduction

2152
01:38:16,669 --> 01:38:14,219
Hopkins began

2153
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:16,679
his research on alien abduction in the

2154
01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:18,719
early 1980s and over the course of his

2155
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,340
career

2156
01:38:24,169 --> 01:38:22,320
like our previous two experts he

2157
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:24,179
interviewed hundreds of individuals who

2158
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:25,440
claimed to have been abducted by

2159
01:38:29,629 --> 01:38:27,719
extraterrestrial beings

2160
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:29,639
his research and findings were detailed

2161
01:38:34,669 --> 01:38:32,460
in several books including Intruders the

2162
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:34,679
incredible visitation at Copley Woods

2163
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:39,120
that was from 1987 that book and missing

2164
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:42,480
time a documented study of UFO

2165
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:46,679
abductions in 1981. both especially

2166
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:49,620
missing time is sort of a classic of in

2167
01:38:56,090 --> 01:38:52,440
the genre of alien abduction stories

2168
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:56,100
and missing time I think had a big

2169
01:39:00,610 --> 01:38:58,199
cultural impact because after the book

2170
01:39:02,990 --> 01:39:00,620
missing time many many of these

2171
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,000
experiencers of this alien abduction

2172
01:39:08,090 --> 01:39:06,480
phenomenon began to talk about they were

2173
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,100
missing time

2174
01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:10,560
uh and it leads me to wonder which came

2175
01:39:14,590 --> 01:39:12,540
first the book missing time and the

2176
01:39:17,570 --> 01:39:14,600
description of missing time in that book

2177
01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:17,580
which some might say hearkens back to

2178
01:39:22,669 --> 01:39:19,620
the Betty in and Barney Hill case where

2179
01:39:23,570 --> 01:39:22,679
they claimed that they were missing time

2180
01:39:32,209 --> 01:39:23,580
um

2181
01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:32,219
UFO abductions that was the 1981 book

2182
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:33,960
Hopkins research focused on the

2183
01:39:37,729 --> 01:39:35,940
phenomenon of alien abductions and the

2184
01:39:39,530 --> 01:39:37,739
psychological and physical effects that

2185
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:39,540
it had on the individuals who claimed to

2186
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:41,880
have experienced it

2187
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:44,100
um he conducted extensive interviews

2188
01:39:51,470 --> 01:39:48,000
with his subjects including having a

2189
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:51,480
support group hosted at his home he used

2190
01:39:54,890 --> 01:39:53,460
hypnosis and other techniques to help

2191
01:39:58,189 --> 01:39:54,900
them remember details of their

2192
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,199
experiences so again we get to hypnosis

2193
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,719
he also documented

2194
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:02,639
um the evidence that many of his

2195
01:40:07,310 --> 01:40:04,980
subjects reported such as scars Burns

2196
01:40:09,470 --> 01:40:07,320
and other marks on their bodies that

2197
01:40:13,790 --> 01:40:09,480
Hopkins attributed to their alien

2198
01:40:17,390 --> 01:40:15,350
one of Hopkins most notable

2199
01:40:19,310 --> 01:40:17,400
contributions to the field of alien

2200
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:19,320
abduction research was his development

2201
01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:23,520
of the screen memory theory he proposed

2202
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:25,560
that the memories of alien abduction are

2203
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:27,659
often repressed and replaced with

2204
01:40:31,570 --> 01:40:29,400
seemingly benign memories such as

2205
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:31,580
memories of a dream or a childhood event

2206
01:40:36,350 --> 01:40:34,260
by using hypnosis

2207
01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:36,360
Hopkins was able to help his subject

2208
01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:38,760
access those repressed memories and

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01:40:43,610 --> 01:40:41,159
provide more detailed accounts of their

2210
01:40:45,709 --> 01:40:43,620
abduction experiences so again we see

2211
01:40:47,629 --> 01:40:45,719
the use of hypnosis oh you don't

2212
01:40:50,890 --> 01:40:47,639
remember what happened let me hypnotize

2213
01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:50,900
you and suddenly people are remembering

2214
01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:54,120
uh more details of aliens and their

2215
01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:00,530
despite his research and contributions

2216
01:41:06,169 --> 01:41:03,179
to the field Hopkins work

2217
01:41:09,709 --> 01:41:06,179
is met with skepticism

2218
01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:09,719
critics argue his methods uh like some

2219
01:41:14,689 --> 01:41:12,300
of the others is unscientific his

2220
01:41:17,149 --> 01:41:14,699
findings not adequately supported by

2221
01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:17,159
real or physical evidence and amount to

2222
01:41:23,209 --> 01:41:20,340
just stories and

2223
01:41:24,890 --> 01:41:23,219
um memories recovered during hypnosis

2224
01:41:26,510 --> 01:41:24,900
sessions

2225
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,520
others have suggested that the

2226
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:28,560
experience reported by Hopkins were the

2227
01:41:34,609 --> 01:41:32,159
result of neurological psychological or

2228
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:34,619
sleep disorders

2229
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,739
I will say that Hopkins work and his

2230
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,560
books have been praised by many in the

2231
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,360
field of ufology

2232
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:44,639
many see his research as a valuable

2233
01:41:50,090 --> 01:41:46,080
contribution

2234
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:50,100
to understanding the entire phenomenon

2235
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:53,100
and his books continue to be widely read

2236
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:56,100
debated talked about and referenced in

2237
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,209
um

2238
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:05,930
I believe that it's also important to

2239
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:07,860
realize that

2240
01:42:13,370 --> 01:42:10,440
we'll talk about a few things when it

2241
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:13,380
comes to Bud Hopkins especially

2242
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:16,380
I think that objectivity is an important

2243
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:19,679
thing uh and it would appear to me at

2244
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:21,960
least as an outsider looking in

2245
01:42:28,910 --> 01:42:25,199
that all of these researchers especially

2246
01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:28,920
Bud Hopkins lost their objectivity they

2247
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:32,460
uh seem to have belief that these people

2248
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:34,380
are actually being abducted by aliens

2249
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:37,020
and maybe that pre-existing belief

2250
01:42:41,390 --> 01:42:38,460
informs

2251
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:41,400
the outcome of their so-called research

2252
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:44,639
is very problematic for me bud Hopkins

2253
01:42:49,729 --> 01:42:47,100
especially had a support group in his

2254
01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:49,739
home where he would meet with alien

2255
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:52,679
abduction victims very frequently many

2256
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:56,040
of them became uh his very close friends

2257
01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:00,119
his associates and fellow researchers

2258
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:02,340
into the field would visit him at his

2259
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:03,119
home

2260
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:06,239
there with Leslie Keane he spent a great

2261
01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:08,040
deal of time with many of these people

2262
01:43:11,390 --> 01:43:10,380
became incredibly friendly with many of

2263
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:11,400
them

2264
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:15,000
and I for one found that problematic if

2265
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,920
you're a researcher I don't think

2266
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:18,960
hanging out and paling around with your

2267
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:21,480
research subjects all the time will

2268
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:24,840
create objective Research into their

2269
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:28,320
stories or their so-called evidence

2270
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:30,540
um also

2271
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,820
it appears to me that Mr Hopkins uh

2272
01:43:40,609 --> 01:43:38,000
I had a lot of reach

2273
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:40,619
reaching and so far as what he called

2274
01:43:45,890 --> 01:43:43,320
evidence and uh there's an excellent

2275
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:45,900
video that I found

2276
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:51,890
one second here we're gonna oh let me

2277
01:43:57,709 --> 01:43:54,659
put my fair use Banner back up

2278
01:43:59,810 --> 01:43:57,719
and we are going to

2279
01:44:04,430 --> 01:43:59,820
we're gonna

2280
01:44:08,990 --> 01:44:04,440
see some of his research

2281
01:44:10,850 --> 01:44:09,000
and again I have sort of a problem with

2282
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:10,860
some of the things revealed in this

2283
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:13,260
video If you're trying to research a

2284
01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:15,540
subject I don't think it's a good idea

2285
01:44:19,550 --> 01:44:17,400
to socialize and hang out with the

2286
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:19,560
people that you're using for so-called

2287
01:44:23,090 --> 01:44:20,820
Witnesses

2288
01:44:25,129 --> 01:44:23,100
he became very very close to many of

2289
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:25,139
them so we're going to cite fair use

2290
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:27,540
this is a transformative work we're

2291
01:44:31,729 --> 01:44:29,340
educating the public we'll be discussing

2292
01:44:33,649 --> 01:44:31,739
this with the members of the live chat

2293
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:33,659
I'll be uh

2294
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,940
putting your comments and questions on

2295
01:44:38,810 --> 01:44:37,440
the screen further making it a

2296
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:38,820
transformative work this is covered

2297
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:41,699
under fair use this is fair use and by

2298
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,639
the way I did see uh thank you so much I

2299
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,040
saw some super chats I'm sorry during

2300
01:44:51,649 --> 01:44:49,679
these longer presentations I try to

2301
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:51,659
focus as much as I can so we could get

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01:44:56,209 --> 01:44:54,600
through it we will read this is the last

2303
01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:56,219
part of our presentation and then we'll

2304
01:45:09,109 --> 01:44:58,440
read every single Super Chat thank every

2305
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:11,270
this is from Carol Rainey and this is

2306
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:19,189
this is about research methods used by

2307
01:45:35,149 --> 01:45:24,770
okay

2308
01:45:37,729 --> 01:45:35,159
thank you and yeah do I look at you or

2309
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,739
into the camera yeah no objectivity I I

2310
01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:40,020
would tend to agree that I was excited

2311
01:45:44,750 --> 01:45:42,179
to finally be doing

2312
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:44,760
Bud had offered to go on camera for the

2313
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,040
first time with evidence that he

2314
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:49,199
believed clearly demonstrated the

2315
01:45:53,930 --> 01:45:51,000
reality of the alien abduction

2316
01:45:58,609 --> 01:45:55,609
okay over the years I've been collecting

2317
01:46:00,649 --> 01:45:58,619
uh symbols drawings that I have people

2318
01:46:02,209 --> 01:46:00,659
make when they say that they remember

2319
01:46:04,609 --> 01:46:02,219
having seen some kind of notational

2320
01:46:07,870 --> 01:46:04,619
system symbols or whatever inside the

2321
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,880
craft on some surface or other

2322
01:46:15,169 --> 01:46:10,139
so he's collecting

2323
01:46:17,330 --> 01:46:15,179
samples of so-called writing symbols or

2324
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,340
some would say hieroglyphics that people

2325
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,920
saw during their abduction experience

2326
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:21,840
aboard the spacecraft

2327
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:24,480
Etc and he had been collecting this from

2328
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:27,420
different subjects but remember

2329
01:46:31,729 --> 01:46:29,460
he has a research group where they all

2330
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:31,739
pal around and hang out together a

2331
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:39,050
does it have

2332
01:46:44,930 --> 01:46:42,080
symbols letters numbers

2333
01:46:46,669 --> 01:46:44,940
and I make them draw these for me

2334
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:46,679
afterwards I have kept them absolutely

2335
01:46:50,030 --> 01:46:48,000
Secret

2336
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,040
the reason that I've never reproduced

2337
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:52,320
these in any Source or never presented

2338
01:46:56,510 --> 01:46:54,960
them publicly until this moment uh is

2339
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,520
because it's always been something that

2340
01:47:00,530 --> 01:46:58,080
I could hold back along with many other

2341
01:47:04,010 --> 01:47:00,540
details

2342
01:47:07,010 --> 01:47:04,020
yeah and and here we see an example that

2343
01:47:09,169 --> 01:47:07,020
was just used by Corey Goode well I give

2344
01:47:11,390 --> 01:47:09,179
a fake name so that when people approach

2345
01:47:13,550 --> 01:47:11,400
me if they give me the correct

2346
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:13,560
terminology I will know that they had a

2347
01:47:17,570 --> 01:47:16,320
real experiences were really part of the

2348
01:47:20,930 --> 01:47:17,580
program

2349
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:20,940
here uh he's using a very similar

2350
01:47:25,250 --> 01:47:23,280
methodology claiming that he holds back

2351
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:25,260
he doesn't tell people about that but

2352
01:47:30,530 --> 01:47:27,840
remember these people are all in an

2353
01:47:32,510 --> 01:47:30,540
alien abduction support group at his

2354
01:47:34,910 --> 01:47:32,520
home hanging out together

2355
01:47:36,890 --> 01:47:34,920
so what are the chances they weren't

2356
01:47:38,810 --> 01:47:36,900
talking about these things amongst

2357
01:47:41,090 --> 01:47:38,820
themselves even without his knowledge or

2358
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,100
concern to be able to test the veracity

2359
01:47:44,450 --> 01:47:42,719
of people who come forward it's an old

2360
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:44,460
police technique

2361
01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:47,280
to look at this little book which I put

2362
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:52,729
a number of years ago very crucially

2363
01:47:59,090 --> 01:47:54,320
this was

2364
01:48:01,370 --> 01:47:59,100
one of the early sets I got in 1983 from

2365
01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:01,380
Debbie Jordan I wrote about Intruders

2366
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:03,239
now she said they were arranged

2367
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:05,280
vertically like this

2368
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,159
uh she felt that they were read downward

2369
01:48:12,590 --> 01:48:10,080
she didn't know why she has no idea what

2370
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:12,600
they mean this woman from Canada made

2371
01:48:16,729 --> 01:48:14,520
this drawing she felt that this was

2372
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:16,739
exactly what she'd seen inside a ship

2373
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,219
inside a UFO during no you know the

2374
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:21,840
other thing that struck me when I saw

2375
01:48:28,010 --> 01:48:25,320
this is these are scribbles on a page

2376
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:28,020
um I mean there's vaguely or somewhat

2377
01:48:31,129 --> 01:48:30,300
similar right

2378
01:48:34,910 --> 01:48:31,139
um

2379
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:34,920
okay uh and again

2380
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:37,679
this is sort of like the

2381
01:48:42,649 --> 01:48:39,840
if two people are telling me the same or

2382
01:48:45,229 --> 01:48:42,659
similar story that means that everything

2383
01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:45,239
they're telling me is true and in this

2384
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,360
case because people are showing uh him

2385
01:48:53,209 --> 01:48:51,119
similar symbols he believes that they

2386
01:48:55,010 --> 01:48:53,219
are all telling him the truth about

2387
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:55,020
their abduction experience and these

2388
01:48:59,450 --> 01:48:57,659
symbols obviously have to be alien

2389
01:49:01,729 --> 01:48:59,460
writing of some sort bring an abduction

2390
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:01,739
and she has no idea as none of these

2391
01:49:06,350 --> 01:49:04,080
people do what any of this means nobody

2392
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:06,360
and that's a an item of course of

2393
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,639
credibility in their favor that they're

2394
01:49:13,070 --> 01:49:10,320
not trying to interpret it and say this

2395
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:13,080
is a star map or this is a whatever so

2396
01:49:16,729 --> 01:49:14,760
she said that this was precisely what

2397
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:16,739
she saw

2398
01:49:22,010 --> 01:49:18,780
um and you can see from the way these

2399
01:49:24,050 --> 01:49:22,020
begin to mass out on a page how similar

2400
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,060
they are

2401
01:49:28,609 --> 01:49:26,400
uh this is another New York City

2402
01:49:30,590 --> 01:49:28,619
abductee who separated them out another

2403
01:49:32,930 --> 01:49:30,600
woman who was an artist made this

2404
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:32,940
drawing uh very I'll give them this

2405
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,219
they're similar uh they're definitely

2406
01:49:40,129 --> 01:49:37,679
similar in appearance very very quickly

2407
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,139
if you do it on a large scale but when

2408
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:43,440
reduced uh they all end up uh looking

2409
01:49:50,930 --> 01:49:49,189
and he noticed that he mentioned that he

2410
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:50,940
messed with the scale of them to make

2411
01:49:56,090 --> 01:49:53,580
them more similar

2412
01:49:57,950 --> 01:49:56,100
um I would be interested in interviewing

2413
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:57,960
the original people and getting some

2414
01:50:02,570 --> 01:50:01,440
idea of the difference in scale now this

2415
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,580
over here

2416
01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:04,560
is Linda's

2417
01:50:12,590 --> 01:50:07,560
I saw the symbols up in the crib

2418
01:50:16,669 --> 01:50:14,629
because that was confirmation for what

2419
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,679
I'd seen up in the craft

2420
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,480
I wasn't the only one

2421
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:20,639
that saw these symbols

2422
01:50:25,250 --> 01:50:23,280
and when she drew it for me after

2423
01:50:29,149 --> 01:50:25,260
hypnosis session she remembered seeing

2424
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:29,159
these again after a hypnosis session

2425
01:50:35,450 --> 01:50:32,340
I would be interested in hearing that

2426
01:50:37,370 --> 01:50:35,460
hypnosis session and verifying there

2427
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,380
were no leading questions did he bring

2428
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,960
up the subject of symbols did you see

2429
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:41,760
writing did you see symbol can you draw

2430
01:50:46,729 --> 01:50:43,860
them for me that would be an extremely

2431
01:50:49,310 --> 01:50:46,739
leading question she started drawing

2432
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:49,320
here and she went down the page trying

2433
01:50:53,149 --> 01:50:50,820
to remember exactly what they look like

2434
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:53,159
she said this wasn't exactly right she

2435
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,600
finally got down here when she put this

2436
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,940
dot in she thought yeah that's that's

2437
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:59,520
the closest of these curves to what the

2438
01:51:03,890 --> 01:51:01,199
thing actually looked like that she saw

2439
01:51:07,550 --> 01:51:03,900
the big question to me and what does

2440
01:51:10,850 --> 01:51:07,560
this signify and here's where we get to

2441
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:10,860
this means that this is proof now

2442
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:13,920
Linda in this particular case uh the

2443
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:16,080
only way that she can be attacked the

2444
01:51:21,410 --> 01:51:18,000
case can be attacked is the course of

2445
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:21,420
people say she's a a liar a hoaxer she's

2446
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:22,920
hired all these people every one of

2447
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:24,960
these people is an actress or actor that

2448
01:51:31,070 --> 01:51:27,600
she's hired she's trained her son

2449
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:31,080
etc etc well if that's the case

2450
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:34,500
Linda came up with symbols here

2451
01:51:41,330 --> 01:51:37,260
that are virtually identical to the

2452
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:41,340
symbols of many of 30 40 50 other people

2453
01:51:45,590 --> 01:51:43,260
and again I would really like to

2454
01:51:48,770 --> 01:51:45,600
interview those 30 or 40 people and

2455
01:51:51,590 --> 01:51:48,780
verify all of these claims

2456
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:51,600
I'm sorry but the trust me dude School

2457
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,300
of research you know where where are

2458
01:51:59,709 --> 01:51:56,639
their names addresses times interviewed

2459
01:52:02,330 --> 01:51:59,719
Where Are there specific uh

2460
01:52:04,370 --> 01:52:02,340
Recollections of these symbols and the

2461
01:52:07,250 --> 01:52:04,380
symbology I'd also be interested in

2462
01:52:10,250 --> 01:52:07,260
having a linguist or a symbologist look

2463
01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:10,260
at these and see if they can glean some

2464
01:52:14,990 --> 01:52:13,560
meaning out of them now that establishes

2465
01:52:17,330 --> 01:52:15,000
as far as I'm concerned her credibility

2466
01:52:19,010 --> 01:52:17,340
this is never until this moment been

2467
01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:19,020
made public

2468
01:52:24,350 --> 01:52:22,020
and again one woman gave him drawings

2469
01:52:27,169 --> 01:52:24,360
that he claims 30 or 40 other people

2470
01:52:31,010 --> 01:52:27,179
showed him something very similar

2471
01:52:34,189 --> 01:52:31,020
uh and as described that these were

2472
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:34,199
writings or symbols

2473
01:52:39,970 --> 01:52:36,119
on the spacecraft

2474
01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:39,980
now if true yeah that's pretty

2475
01:52:46,669 --> 01:52:42,780
compelling but again it's it's that

2476
01:52:49,609 --> 01:52:46,679
tantalizing maybe evidence

2477
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:49,619
um if indeed 40 people that never spoke

2478
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,020
to each other never communicated never

2479
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:54,719
shared let's just call it shop talk

2480
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:56,880
about their experiences

2481
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:00,300
were all giving him very very similar

2482
01:53:06,530 --> 01:53:03,900
symbols well yeah but where's the

2483
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:06,540
verification of those 40 other people

2484
01:53:12,649 --> 01:53:09,900
and we saw look to me like five or six

2485
01:53:15,950 --> 01:53:12,659
examples in his binder how do we know

2486
01:53:18,050 --> 01:53:15,960
that 40 people all Drew nearly the exact

2487
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,060
same thing or was it just vaguely

2488
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:20,400
similar and he just collected or

2489
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,280
cherry-picked the very best examples of

2490
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:25,679
people showing him similar symbols

2491
01:53:30,590 --> 01:53:27,600
that's what I believe is happening here

2492
01:53:35,709 --> 01:53:30,600
but you're free to form your own opinion

2493
01:53:39,050 --> 01:53:35,719
but as we will see uh I think this whole

2494
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:39,060
line of this is the proof or this is the

2495
01:53:43,370 --> 01:53:40,980
evidence falls apart very quickly under

2496
01:53:45,169 --> 01:53:43,380
scrutiny right away that was a claim

2497
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:45,179
that made me uneasy

2498
01:53:48,890 --> 01:53:47,580
I'd seen him show these symbols to

2499
01:53:51,050 --> 01:53:48,900
dozens of people

2500
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:51,060
any one of them might have disseminated

2501
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:53,460
the confidential data

2502
01:53:57,530 --> 01:53:55,260
yeah so he's saying he never showed them

2503
01:53:58,970 --> 01:53:57,540
to anybody she's watching him show them

2504
01:54:02,030 --> 01:53:58,980
to everybody

2505
01:54:04,129 --> 01:54:02,040
that's kind of a problem uh a real

2506
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,139
discrepancy in his claims I knew that

2507
01:54:12,970 --> 01:54:06,360
journalists had seen them television

2508
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,250
and of course he's sharing these symbols

2509
01:54:20,510 --> 01:54:18,960
around with other alien abduction uh

2510
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:20,520
researchers

2511
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,920
here it's important he'd shown the

2512
01:54:26,090 --> 01:54:24,960
symbols to abductees in his support

2513
01:54:28,910 --> 01:54:26,100
groups

2514
01:54:31,729 --> 01:54:28,920
in the early 1990s Linda courtillo's

2515
01:54:34,609 --> 01:54:31,739
dramatic case was unfolding and support

2516
01:54:37,070 --> 01:54:34,619
groups met often at Bud's house

2517
01:54:39,290 --> 01:54:37,080
their abductees shared their experiences

2518
01:54:41,149 --> 01:54:39,300
with each other and they made friends

2519
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:41,159
who understood them

2520
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,639
these were close and very social bonds

2521
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:47,280
Bud had also been quite close to several

2522
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:49,679
of the abductees

2523
01:54:53,810 --> 01:54:52,020
I have no way to know if knowledge of

2524
01:54:56,270 --> 01:54:53,820
the symbols had been communicated

2525
01:54:57,950 --> 01:54:56,280
between people who identified themselves

2526
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:57,960
as abductees

2527
01:55:02,030 --> 01:55:00,060
yeah well it would appear to me to be

2528
01:55:03,950 --> 01:55:02,040
quite obvious that if these people are

2529
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:03,960
hanging out together in an alien

2530
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:06,719
abduction support group constantly

2531
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:08,880
and she witnessed him showing those

2532
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:11,040
symbols around to other researchers

2533
01:55:16,189 --> 01:55:13,500
television reporters documentary film

2534
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,199
producers ufology researchers other

2535
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:19,199
abduction alien abduction researchers

2536
01:55:25,250 --> 01:55:22,800
that these symbols became common

2537
01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:25,260
knowledge among people with an interest

2538
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:28,199
in the subject so it's very problematic

2539
01:55:33,050 --> 01:55:30,960
a chain of custody that's what we have

2540
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:33,060
here we have a problem of chain of

2541
01:55:39,229 --> 01:55:36,480
custody in other words if Mr Hopkins had

2542
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:39,239
independently interviewed 40 different

2543
01:55:43,490 --> 01:55:41,520
people from all different walks of life

2544
01:55:46,209 --> 01:55:43,500
from all around the world from different

2545
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:46,219
religious backgrounds ages

2546
01:55:50,330 --> 01:55:48,420
educational levels

2547
01:55:52,990 --> 01:55:50,340
Etc who were claiming alien abduction

2548
01:55:56,510 --> 01:55:53,000
experiences and each of them never

2549
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:56,520
interacted with each other and Drew the

2550
01:56:01,609 --> 01:55:58,800
exact same symbols then yes there would

2551
01:56:03,050 --> 01:56:01,619
be some evidentiary value

2552
01:56:06,590 --> 01:56:03,060
but this

2553
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,600
really trust me chain of custody oh I

2554
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,400
never showed him to anybody

2555
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:10,560
this documentary film producer is

2556
01:56:14,930 --> 01:56:12,320
witnessing him showing them the people

2557
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,940
and it's also on record that these

2558
01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:17,040
things were shared around among

2559
01:56:22,430 --> 01:56:19,860
researchers the point is that the data

2560
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,440
the symbols themselves were not strictly

2561
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:25,199
controlled and kept free of possible

2562
01:56:29,570 --> 01:56:26,639
collusion

2563
01:56:32,450 --> 01:56:29,580
at this point since so many people have

2564
01:56:37,790 --> 01:56:35,689
recently after Linda's lindis was one of

2565
01:56:39,590 --> 01:56:37,800
the very early ones but because so many

2566
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,600
people have drawn them from a

2567
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:42,239
I have no way of absolutely controlling

2568
01:56:46,850 --> 01:56:44,100
the fact that one of the other of them

2569
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:46,860
might not publish these in a book or an

2570
01:56:51,410 --> 01:56:48,960
article that they write someplace

2571
01:56:52,970 --> 01:56:51,420
on a popular internet forum

2572
01:56:55,970 --> 01:56:52,980
and here's where it becomes really

2573
01:56:57,709 --> 01:56:55,980
problematic remember he claimed that he

2574
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:57,719
strictly controlled these things first

2575
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,000
he says well I have no way of knowing if

2576
01:57:08,510 --> 01:57:02,639
other people might have shared these

2577
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,520
things and here we find uh uh a virtual

2578
01:57:15,410 --> 01:57:10,639
record that these things were out there

2579
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:15,420
among early internet forums a journalist

2580
01:57:20,209 --> 01:57:18,239
and one of Bud's abductees discussed the

2581
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,219
impact that the symbols first had on

2582
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:24,709
the journalist was staggered by the

2583
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:27,360
images at first then began to fault the

2584
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:29,040
methodology

2585
01:57:34,669 --> 01:57:31,800
the researcher himself he suggested

2586
01:57:37,729 --> 01:57:34,679
might have influenced the subject by

2587
01:57:42,169 --> 01:57:37,739
offering subtle cues to people who all

2588
01:57:42,179 --> 01:57:46,330
foreign

2589
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:48,890
so there's no chain of custody there's

2590
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:51,840
no strict controls here it's very very

2591
01:57:56,030 --> 01:57:54,000
sloppy work from a research perspective

2592
01:57:58,850 --> 01:57:56,040
to claim that this is evidence or proof

2593
01:58:00,770 --> 01:57:58,860
when you cannot indeed verify that one

2594
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:00,780
person showing you these things didn't

2595
01:58:06,350 --> 01:58:03,599
see it on an internet Forum see it in a

2596
01:58:10,129 --> 01:58:06,360
documentary see it in another book talk

2597
01:58:12,169 --> 01:58:10,139
about it at a support group or talk

2598
01:58:13,970 --> 01:58:12,179
about those things or hear about them

2599
01:58:17,169 --> 01:58:13,980
from another researcher interviewing

2600
01:58:21,770 --> 01:58:20,450
and then but told me that um they were

2601
01:58:23,930 --> 01:58:21,780
symbols that

2602
01:58:26,689 --> 01:58:23,940
several other abductees

2603
01:58:28,250 --> 01:58:26,699
have drawn and they were all of one

2604
01:58:32,510 --> 01:58:28,260
particular symbol

2605
01:58:35,089 --> 01:58:32,520
that I drew they were all identical does

2606
01:58:38,810 --> 01:58:35,099
he assume like an awfully fragile thread

2607
01:58:41,709 --> 01:58:38,820
upon which to hang a very large claim

2608
01:58:44,930 --> 01:58:41,719
if this were the only thread to hang the

2609
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:44,940
UFO evidence upon of course it would be

2610
01:58:49,850 --> 01:58:48,000
it would be quite surprising but uh if

2611
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:49,860
yeah I would think it's an incredibly

2612
01:58:55,609 --> 01:58:52,260
fragile threat here that's the only

2613
01:58:59,030 --> 01:58:55,619
thing but it's only just one more tiny

2614
01:59:02,089 --> 01:58:59,040
detail the people are including in their

2615
01:59:04,430 --> 01:59:02,099
accounts which replicate thousands of

2616
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:04,440
other cases in detail after detail after

2617
01:59:09,050 --> 01:59:06,719
detail all apart from the eyewitness

2618
01:59:12,109 --> 01:59:09,060
accounts and the physical evidence

2619
01:59:14,209 --> 01:59:12,119
where is the physical evidence uh he

2620
01:59:17,330 --> 01:59:14,219
claims that people who have bruises or

2621
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:17,340
marks on their body is physical evidence

2622
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:19,199
uh

2623
01:59:23,330 --> 01:59:21,599
again that's very problematic and again

2624
01:59:26,030 --> 01:59:23,340
he comes back to

2625
01:59:28,490 --> 01:59:26,040
the same argument that many of these

2626
01:59:30,350 --> 01:59:28,500
researchers have made and that is that

2627
01:59:33,290 --> 01:59:30,360
if multiple people tell me the same

2628
01:59:35,089 --> 01:59:33,300
story that's proof that these stories

2629
01:59:38,330 --> 01:59:35,099
are all true

2630
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,340
and again to me that's a bridge too far

2631
01:59:42,169 --> 01:59:40,320
so not everybody sees these things but

2632
01:59:44,030 --> 01:59:42,179
those who do always see the same kinds

2633
01:59:46,729 --> 01:59:44,040
of symbols

2634
01:59:50,330 --> 01:59:46,739
and I would uh argue that that is

2635
01:59:52,129 --> 01:59:50,340
entirely false I am aware of substantial

2636
01:59:54,350 --> 01:59:52,139
and supportive evidence of people

2637
01:59:57,530 --> 01:59:54,360
drawing entirely different

2638
02:00:00,109 --> 01:59:57,540
so-called writing or symbols and uh I

2639
02:00:03,229 --> 02:00:00,119
have several examples of that so he's

2640
02:00:04,850 --> 02:00:03,239
making an absolute statement here that

2641
02:00:09,169 --> 02:00:04,860
everybody

2642
02:00:13,370 --> 02:00:09,179
who sees symbols draws the same ones

2643
02:00:15,950 --> 02:00:13,380
no that's nonsense but was that true

2644
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:15,960
sure I was amazed to see this collection

2645
02:00:21,050 --> 02:00:18,239
of symbols for the first time

2646
02:00:22,129 --> 02:00:21,060
so alike drawn by so many different

2647
02:00:24,410 --> 02:00:22,139
people

2648
02:00:26,209 --> 02:00:24,420
it certainly seems to be evidence of

2649
02:00:28,250 --> 02:00:26,219
alien abduction

2650
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:28,260
but that's only if you don't know how

2651
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:31,199
the alleged evidence came into being

2652
02:00:34,070 --> 02:00:33,119
some of the symbols came to Bud in the

2653
02:00:36,430 --> 02:00:34,080
mail

2654
02:00:39,229 --> 02:00:36,440
after our books I'd unseen came out

2655
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:39,239
people also started sending me drawings

2656
02:00:44,390 --> 02:00:42,360
of symbols they'd seen inside the craft

2657
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:44,400
but most were drawn directly after

2658
02:00:49,550 --> 02:00:47,280
hypnosis by the abductees whom Bud

2659
02:00:51,649 --> 02:00:49,560
worked with and knew well

2660
02:00:53,270 --> 02:00:51,659
yeah so again he has a very close

2661
02:00:56,270 --> 02:00:53,280
personal relationship with these people

2662
02:00:58,970 --> 02:00:56,280
he's milking them for stories to sell

2663
02:01:01,490 --> 02:00:58,980
some would say tell this is very

2664
02:01:04,370 --> 02:01:01,500
problematic

2665
02:01:12,890 --> 02:01:04,380
Ally feeling better got what just tell

2666
02:01:16,910 --> 02:01:14,570
for the years I'd seen hundreds of

2667
02:01:19,550 --> 02:01:16,920
symbols from abductees that weren't

2668
02:01:21,229 --> 02:01:19,560
anything like those in the book so there

2669
02:01:23,209 --> 02:01:21,239
we have verification that he's making

2670
02:01:26,270 --> 02:01:23,219
completely false statements claiming

2671
02:01:28,850 --> 02:01:26,280
that all alien abduction abduction

2672
02:01:30,890 --> 02:01:28,860
victims see these symbols that's not the

2673
02:01:34,189 --> 02:01:30,900
case this researcher has seen hundreds

2674
02:01:36,410 --> 02:01:34,199
of symbols that Bears Zero little or no

2675
02:01:39,350 --> 02:01:36,420
resemblance to these

2676
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:39,360
this is the problem you know

2677
02:01:44,629 --> 02:01:41,760
um people claiming

2678
02:01:47,870 --> 02:01:44,639
shaky shaky evidence so-called evidence

2679
02:01:50,270 --> 02:01:47,880
is a real problem and again it's the

2680
02:01:51,950 --> 02:01:50,280
trust me dude School of research some

2681
02:01:54,229 --> 02:01:51,960
were entire alphabets of an alien

2682
02:01:56,510 --> 02:01:54,239
written language

2683
02:01:59,750 --> 02:01:56,520
now here we see some examples proving

2684
02:02:01,970 --> 02:01:59,760
that he was false in his absolute

2685
02:02:03,890 --> 02:02:01,980
statement that everybody sees the same

2686
02:02:05,629 --> 02:02:03,900
thing here are examples people are

2687
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:05,639
saying all kinds of different things

2688
02:02:11,450 --> 02:02:09,060
well kind of Tangled Up In Blue

2689
02:02:14,089 --> 02:02:11,460
so why would someone considered ethical

2690
02:02:15,050 --> 02:02:14,099
and honest make the claims but was

2691
02:02:18,169 --> 02:02:15,060
making

2692
02:02:20,209 --> 02:02:18,179
I have kept them absolutely Secret

2693
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:20,219
this is never until this moment been

2694
02:02:24,290 --> 02:02:22,560
made public so not everybody sees these

2695
02:02:26,689 --> 02:02:24,300
things but those who do always see the

2696
02:02:28,609 --> 02:02:26,699
same kinds of symbols

2697
02:02:32,689 --> 02:02:28,619
yeah I think that's our favorite problem

2698
02:02:37,010 --> 02:02:34,970
embarrassing for him this is actually

2699
02:02:39,709 --> 02:02:37,020
embarrassing for him in the same

2700
02:02:41,870 --> 02:02:39,719
interview he makes multiple conflicting

2701
02:02:42,890 --> 02:02:41,880
statements about the custody or chain of

2702
02:02:54,010 --> 02:02:42,900
evidence

2703
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:55,990
no

2704
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:04,430
trying to say

2705
02:03:08,810 --> 02:03:07,010
uh and this researcher says I'd seen

2706
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:08,820
many symbols over the years that were

2707
02:03:15,290 --> 02:03:11,760
not like the ones that bud included in

2708
02:03:17,570 --> 02:03:15,300
his so-called evidence book so extremely

2709
02:03:20,089 --> 02:03:17,580
problematic so-called evidence which

2710
02:03:23,870 --> 02:03:20,099
falls apart under the least little bit

2711
02:03:28,270 --> 02:03:23,880
of of scrutiny by a real researcher

2712
02:03:35,570 --> 02:03:30,950
symbols drawn by an abductee who worked

2713
02:03:40,609 --> 02:03:38,330
totally different

2714
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:40,619
yeah

2715
02:03:46,850 --> 02:03:44,400
and and how come only his subjects are

2716
02:03:49,970 --> 02:03:46,860
seeing the exact same symbols

2717
02:03:52,490 --> 02:03:49,980
and if you look into the symbols shown

2718
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:52,500
to other researchers they're completely

2719
02:03:57,229 --> 02:03:54,000
and totally different

2720
02:04:02,689 --> 02:03:57,239
that right there is a huge red flag that

2721
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:02,699
that he's using really really chatty uh

2722
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:05,520
some would say false

2723
02:04:11,930 --> 02:04:09,300
efforts to generate this so-called

2724
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:11,940
evidence here are a few of the symbols

2725
02:04:16,010 --> 02:04:14,400
drawn by Ray Fowler's subject Becky

2726
02:04:18,169 --> 02:04:16,020
andreasen

2727
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:18,179
to my eye the symbols from people

2728
02:04:22,430 --> 02:04:19,679
working with different abduction

2729
02:04:24,890 --> 02:04:22,440
researchers look nothing like the ones

2730
02:04:27,530 --> 02:04:24,900
in Bud's scrapbook

2731
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:27,540
now it's important to realize that these

2732
02:04:32,330 --> 02:04:30,420
are tracings of the exact drawing that

2733
02:04:35,570 --> 02:04:32,340
the person made in the first place I

2734
02:04:38,270 --> 02:04:35,580
have xeroxed each of the preceding ones

2735
02:04:40,189 --> 02:04:38,280
and brought them to scale so they're the

2736
02:04:41,649 --> 02:04:40,199
same size so as we look through this we

2737
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:41,659
can see so his

2738
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:43,920
manipulating the data

2739
02:04:49,550 --> 02:04:46,800
to draw a conclusion how they all

2740
02:04:52,370 --> 02:04:49,560
compare but why Trace people's drawings

2741
02:04:54,290 --> 02:04:52,380
why not put the original sketches on the

2742
02:04:56,750 --> 02:04:54,300
page and let viewers and other

2743
02:04:58,370 --> 02:04:56,760
researchers decide if the similarities

2744
02:05:00,770 --> 02:04:58,380
were significant

2745
02:05:03,770 --> 02:05:00,780
most scientists wouldn't view this as a

2746
02:05:05,870 --> 02:05:03,780
collection of raw data at all they'd see

2747
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:05,880
it as the creation of an artist who had

2748
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:08,880
traced over each original symbol in a

2749
02:05:14,689 --> 02:05:11,760
possibly unconscious effort to make them

2750
02:05:16,910 --> 02:05:14,699
seem more alike than they actually were

2751
02:05:19,070 --> 02:05:16,920
yeah and there also could be significant

2752
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:19,080
look at the significant changes from the

2753
02:05:23,149 --> 02:05:20,400
original

2754
02:05:25,850 --> 02:05:23,159
thing that he was shown to what he

2755
02:05:28,669 --> 02:05:25,860
presents as what they showed him

2756
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:28,679
this is manipulation of data pure and

2757
02:05:34,609 --> 02:05:31,920
simple he is manipulating the data to

2758
02:05:36,649 --> 02:05:34,619
fit an already drawn conclusion

2759
02:05:39,169 --> 02:05:36,659
and to support an already drawn

2760
02:05:40,189 --> 02:05:39,179
conclusion this is not science this is

2761
02:05:43,490 --> 02:05:40,199
garbage

2762
02:05:46,129 --> 02:05:43,500
that if the UFO phenomenon is occurring

2763
02:05:48,410 --> 02:05:46,139
as the report suggests it's the most

2764
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:48,420
important event in human history but had

2765
02:05:53,870 --> 02:05:51,119
taken on a very difficult task to

2766
02:05:56,089 --> 02:05:53,880
explain the abductees experience to a

2767
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:56,099
world that didn't believe them

2768
02:06:01,010 --> 02:05:58,800
but was he intentionally making false

2769
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:01,020
claims

2770
02:06:06,530 --> 02:06:03,840
it gradually dawned on me that bud was

2771
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:06,540
doing research the way he did art

2772
02:06:11,450 --> 02:06:09,599
in the abduction reports he selected and

2773
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:11,460
in the symbols he pulled out of the box

2774
02:06:17,810 --> 02:06:15,360
Bud was always looking for a pattern

2775
02:06:20,330 --> 02:06:17,820
yeah and it's easy to see that artists

2776
02:06:22,850 --> 02:06:20,340
look for patterns in nature you know if

2777
02:06:25,850 --> 02:06:22,860
you're gonna paint a landscape you look

2778
02:06:29,089 --> 02:06:25,860
for the way the light hits certain trees

2779
02:06:31,930 --> 02:06:29,099
or you know hits the water and you

2780
02:06:34,490 --> 02:06:31,940
reproduce that and again

2781
02:06:36,890 --> 02:06:34,500
you know

2782
02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:36,900
I I don't want to speak too badly about

2783
02:06:41,570 --> 02:06:38,940
this guy it seemed like his heart was in

2784
02:06:43,550 --> 02:06:41,580
the right place and he had a true and

2785
02:06:46,129 --> 02:06:43,560
sincere belief in these people telling

2786
02:06:49,550 --> 02:06:46,139
these stories but this is Cherry Picked

2787
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:49,560
uh manufactured so-called evidence and I

2788
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:51,840
would put evidence in quotes this is not

2789
02:06:55,850 --> 02:06:53,400
evidence

2790
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:55,860
finding a strong this is manufacturing

2791
02:07:00,169 --> 02:06:58,380
evidence to sell a book pattern or

2792
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,179
similarity between people making

2793
02:07:05,390 --> 02:07:03,119
abduction reports would give all of them

2794
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:05,400
coherence and meaning

2795
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:08,639
it was creating order out of Chaos

2796
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:11,760
which is what artists do so beautifully

2797
02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:14,639
it's just not quite how researchers go

2798
02:07:27,770 --> 02:07:25,250
yeah and that's it for this so and also

2799
02:07:30,649 --> 02:07:27,780
a question that I would certainly have

2800
02:07:32,930 --> 02:07:30,659
is uh

2801
02:07:35,450 --> 02:07:32,940
what is his qualifications to do

2802
02:07:37,729 --> 02:07:35,460
hypnotic regressions on people he's an

2803
02:07:40,970 --> 02:07:37,739
artist he doesn't have training in

2804
02:07:44,330 --> 02:07:40,980
Psychology or some other relevant field

2805
02:07:48,290 --> 02:07:44,340
that would Aid him in these interviews

2806
02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:51,169
um all of this is very very problematic

2807
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:57,890
yes Amy Collins says his own research

2808
02:08:03,290 --> 02:08:01,199
was paradolia on a grand scale I

2809
02:08:06,589 --> 02:08:03,300
absolutely agree with you he's seen

2810
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:06,599
patterns because he wants to he wants to

2811
02:08:10,970 --> 02:08:09,840
make sense out of chaos and don't we all

2812
02:08:14,570 --> 02:08:10,980
and

2813
02:08:17,689 --> 02:08:14,580
you know to close I would say that a lot

2814
02:08:21,050 --> 02:08:17,699
of these stories and these research this

2815
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:21,060
so-called research is a lot of paradolia

2816
02:08:24,530 --> 02:08:23,280
on a grand scale well multiple people

2817
02:08:26,689 --> 02:08:24,540
told me this

2818
02:08:28,250 --> 02:08:26,699
therefore they're all telling the truth

2819
02:08:31,310 --> 02:08:28,260
that's

2820
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:31,320
false equivocation for sure and a giant

2821
02:08:35,330 --> 02:08:33,119
leap to make

2822
02:08:37,010 --> 02:08:35,340
um I've had people tell me similar

2823
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:37,020
stories it doesn't mean that each of

2824
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:38,880
them were telling me the truth about

2825
02:08:46,070 --> 02:08:41,280
their experiences

2826
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:46,080
or if I wanted to create a case for that

2827
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,440
I too could cherry pick from the 10 or

2828
02:08:54,169 --> 02:08:51,599
20 people probably more like 20 people

2829
02:08:55,790 --> 02:08:54,179
that I've personally spoken to and

2830
02:08:57,589 --> 02:08:55,800
interviewed about their so-called

2831
02:09:01,669 --> 02:08:57,599
abduction experience

2832
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:01,679
uh we're left at a real impasse so

2833
02:09:05,570 --> 02:09:03,480
um let me know what you think in the

2834
02:09:07,850 --> 02:09:05,580
comments is there something to this are

2835
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:07,860
these people having real alien abduction

2836
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:11,760
experiences or something else

2837
02:09:16,189 --> 02:09:14,400
and uh what do we think about the

2838
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:16,199
profiteering

2839
02:09:21,649 --> 02:09:18,480
I keep coming back to this because it's

2840
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:21,659
important these people Bud Hopkins uh

2841
02:09:28,129 --> 02:09:24,960
John Mack David Jacobs

2842
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:28,139
all made a great deal of money in fact

2843
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:30,840
it became their full-time jobs to write

2844
02:09:36,229 --> 02:09:33,360
these books talk at conferences do

2845
02:09:38,810 --> 02:09:36,239
interviews about alien abductions it

2846
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,820
became a lucrative full-time job for

2847
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:39,840
them

2848
02:09:45,890 --> 02:09:42,960
so do we think that people who have a

2849
02:09:48,649 --> 02:09:45,900
huge financial motive would not fudge

2850
02:09:51,950 --> 02:09:48,659
the data a little bit or cherry pick the

2851
02:09:54,589 --> 02:09:51,960
data to support the conclusions that

2852
02:09:57,410 --> 02:09:54,599
they want to draw so that they will have

2853
02:10:01,129 --> 02:09:57,420
something to sell you

2854
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:01,139
um I still am on the fence on this one I

2855
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,920
find this incredibly problematic what I

2856
02:10:10,609 --> 02:10:07,440
see from the major

2857
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:10,619
famous abduction cases part of me got

2858
02:10:14,570 --> 02:10:12,840
blurry like Bigfoot there what I see

2859
02:10:17,530 --> 02:10:14,580
from the many

2860
02:10:20,209 --> 02:10:17,540
the these three most famous abduction

2861
02:10:21,530 --> 02:10:20,219
experiences is an awful lot of profit

2862
02:10:24,290 --> 02:10:21,540
driven motives

2863
02:10:26,930 --> 02:10:24,300
what I see from the researchers is an

2864
02:10:29,870 --> 02:10:26,940
awful lot of profit driven motives

2865
02:10:32,030 --> 02:10:29,880
um though I will say that I have spoken

2866
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:32,040
to many people who had

2867
02:10:38,030 --> 02:10:35,760
so-called abduction experiences that did

2868
02:10:40,970 --> 02:10:38,040
not want to be named did not want to

2869
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:40,980
profit did not want to try to cash in

2870
02:10:46,729 --> 02:10:43,679
and those people I found more credible

2871
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:46,739
but these people who make it their

2872
02:10:50,510 --> 02:10:49,199
full-time job to talk about alien

2873
02:10:54,050 --> 02:10:50,520
abductions

2874
02:10:56,450 --> 02:10:54,060
certainly have a profit motive uh in my

2875
02:10:59,570 --> 02:10:56,460
opinion a very strong profit motive

2876
02:11:02,450 --> 02:10:59,580
because after all they're making

2877
02:11:04,070 --> 02:11:02,460
literally millions of dollars for some

2878
02:11:06,050 --> 02:11:04,080
of these people to talk about these

2879
02:11:08,750 --> 02:11:06,060
things and

2880
02:11:11,810 --> 02:11:08,760
uh to essentially

2881
02:11:16,430 --> 02:11:11,820
say that these things are

2882
02:11:20,030 --> 02:11:16,440
real and true and I you know

2883
02:11:23,149 --> 02:11:20,040
when it comes to the money uh it becomes

2884
02:11:25,070 --> 02:11:23,159
problematic for me because instantly I

2885
02:11:28,070 --> 02:11:25,080
like perhaps many people

2886
02:11:31,129 --> 02:11:28,080
start to think maybe these people are

2887
02:11:33,050 --> 02:11:31,139
just out to make a buck right though

2888
02:11:37,010 --> 02:11:33,060
again I've talked to people that don't

2889
02:11:39,530 --> 02:11:37,020
want any never tried to cash in

2890
02:11:42,109 --> 02:11:39,540
um so we're gonna I'm gonna share my

2891
02:11:45,169 --> 02:11:42,119
screen here and we are gonna thank each

2892
02:11:47,689 --> 02:11:45,179
of you generous supporters I apologize

2893
02:11:50,570 --> 02:11:47,699
for missing them tonight we had JC with

2894
02:11:53,930 --> 02:11:50,580
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2895
02:11:55,270 --> 02:11:53,940
praise the cash absolutely

2896
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:55,280
um

2897
02:12:03,109 --> 02:11:58,800
Mazer rage 86 asks thoughts on Terry

2898
02:12:06,229 --> 02:12:03,119
Lovelace see his implant x-ray yeah I'm

2899
02:12:09,050 --> 02:12:06,239
on the fence about implants as well uh

2900
02:12:11,390 --> 02:12:09,060
Maze of Rage but maybe I'll do a

2901
02:12:14,030 --> 02:12:11,400
separate Deep dive and show just into

2902
02:12:16,250 --> 02:12:14,040
that specific case we've done a show on

2903
02:12:18,109 --> 02:12:16,260
alien implants in the past

2904
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:18,119
I talked to a person named Stephen

2905
02:12:23,930 --> 02:12:21,840
Colbert who worked for Roger Lear and I

2906
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:23,940
gotta say he was very convincing but the

2907
02:12:28,250 --> 02:12:25,920
data doesn't really support the claims

2908
02:12:30,649 --> 02:12:28,260
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2911
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:37,260
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2912
02:12:40,609 --> 02:12:38,400
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2913
02:12:44,510 --> 02:12:40,619
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02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:44,520
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2916
02:12:54,649 --> 02:12:51,179
that as well right now I will share them

2917
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:54,659
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2918
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:57,119
right on screen I apologize sometimes

2919
02:13:00,589 --> 02:12:59,040
during these I gotta find a better way

2920
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,599
to do this

2921
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:02,639
um I understand people would prefer that

2922
02:13:06,410 --> 02:13:04,320
I share it on the screen we do our best

2923
02:13:08,450 --> 02:13:06,420
to do that

2924
02:13:11,629 --> 02:13:08,460
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2925
02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:11,639
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2930
02:13:27,109 --> 02:13:25,320
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2931
02:13:28,970 --> 02:13:27,119
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2932
02:13:31,430 --> 02:13:28,980
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2933
02:13:34,490 --> 02:13:31,440
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02:13:36,350 --> 02:13:34,500
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2938
02:13:46,250 --> 02:13:43,679
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02:13:48,709 --> 02:13:46,260
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02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,380
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2943
02:14:05,169 --> 02:13:57,599
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2944
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:08,149
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2947
02:14:22,370 --> 02:14:20,990
praise the cash friends so we'll take

2948
02:14:24,410 --> 02:14:22,380
some comments and questions from the

2949
02:14:26,209 --> 02:14:24,420
live chat honestly I thought this was

2950
02:14:28,850 --> 02:14:26,219
going to take me four hours to get

2951
02:14:30,109 --> 02:14:28,860
through uh we're way ahead of what I

2952
02:14:32,209 --> 02:14:30,119
thought would be the schedule Mark

2953
02:14:34,609 --> 02:14:32,219
taranas here welcome Mark Toronto says

2954
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:34,619
there is evidence that some experiencers

2955
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:36,719
have experienced some type of phenomenon

2956
02:14:41,870 --> 02:14:39,119
I agree the rest are hucksters and

2957
02:14:43,250 --> 02:14:41,880
grifters and how to separate them out is

2958
02:14:44,569 --> 02:14:43,260
the problem

2959
02:14:46,910 --> 02:14:44,579
um

2960
02:14:49,490 --> 02:14:46,920
just like in the rest of the UFO field

2961
02:14:52,729 --> 02:14:49,500
Mark Toronto I originally started

2962
02:14:56,149 --> 02:14:52,739
looking into these stories and what I

2963
02:14:59,330 --> 02:14:56,159
found was a lot of grifters and scammers

2964
02:15:01,609 --> 02:14:59,340
and so I sort of just said I don't want

2965
02:15:05,209 --> 02:15:01,619
to talk to experiencers then I did talk

2966
02:15:07,850 --> 02:15:05,219
to many experiencers and I was really

2967
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:07,860
surprised uh

2968
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:10,380
at the Integrity of some of them at

2969
02:15:18,050 --> 02:15:14,880
their believability uh you know these

2970
02:15:20,750 --> 02:15:18,060
are credible people that live otherwise

2971
02:15:25,569 --> 02:15:20,760
ordinary lives but they have

2972
02:15:30,649 --> 02:15:28,550
John anomalous is here and says the CIA

2973
02:15:32,510 --> 02:15:30,659
has published documents about subliminal

2974
02:15:35,569 --> 02:15:32,520
Wireless communication in their foia

2975
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:35,579
library at cia.gov yeah I probably have

2976
02:15:39,290 --> 02:15:37,920
some of those documents and yes it

2977
02:15:40,910 --> 02:15:39,300
should be acknowledged and understood

2978
02:15:43,069 --> 02:15:40,920
that many people believe that these

2979
02:15:47,209 --> 02:15:43,079
experiences are somehow

2980
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:47,219
related to the alphabet soup agencies

2981
02:15:53,689 --> 02:15:51,119
the CIA the DIA the DEA whatever uh pick

2982
02:15:58,250 --> 02:15:53,699
your poison pick your intelligence spook

2983
02:16:00,530 --> 02:15:58,260
and that these experiences are somehow

2984
02:16:03,290 --> 02:16:00,540
the government or some nefarious group

2985
02:16:06,649 --> 02:16:03,300
manipulating people into believing that

2986
02:16:08,990 --> 02:16:06,659
they are being abducted similarly many

2987
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,000
people tell stories involving something

2988
02:16:14,990 --> 02:16:12,079
called my lab or military abduction

2989
02:16:16,910 --> 02:16:15,000
where uh I don't know at least people

2990
02:16:19,129 --> 02:16:16,920
like Stephen Greer claim that people are

2991
02:16:21,470 --> 02:16:19,139
dressing up like aliens pretending to be

2992
02:16:25,310 --> 02:16:21,480
aliens spoofing people having alien

2993
02:16:28,250 --> 02:16:25,320
experiences for some nefarious purpose

2994
02:16:29,930 --> 02:16:28,260
um I'm not quite sure about that I don't

2995
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:29,940
I think there's less evidence for that

2996
02:16:35,929 --> 02:16:32,880
than than for the actual alien

2997
02:16:37,969 --> 02:16:35,939
hypothesis right

2998
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:37,979
star hunter has to take his meds and go

2999
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,599
to bed well it's always best to keep up

3000
02:16:43,129 --> 02:16:41,519
with your meds store Hunter so you have

3001
02:16:45,290 --> 02:16:43,139
a good evening thank you for joining us

3002
02:16:47,089 --> 02:16:45,300
Bobby Broadway is here and says for all

3003
02:16:48,410 --> 02:16:47,099
we know the aliens could just be

3004
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:48,420
watching us like entertainment

3005
02:16:55,129 --> 02:16:50,639
especially if technology already meets

3006
02:16:59,530 --> 02:16:55,139
all their needs I agree 100 percent

3007
02:17:04,910 --> 02:17:01,849
Slaughterhouse Five zoo and we don't

3008
02:17:08,209 --> 02:17:04,920
know it yeah and you know

3009
02:17:10,910 --> 02:17:08,219
when I get into these this subject I

3010
02:17:13,610 --> 02:17:10,920
think why would they I mean it kind of

3011
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:13,620
makes sense like let's let's just take

3012
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:16,080
off the skeptic hat for a moment and

3013
02:17:20,750 --> 02:17:18,479
think and accept let's if we just accept

3014
02:17:23,389 --> 02:17:20,760
that that aliens are coming here

3015
02:17:25,310 --> 02:17:23,399
to Earth from other star systems

3016
02:17:27,530 --> 02:17:25,320
would they or would they not be very

3017
02:17:29,690 --> 02:17:27,540
curious about us would they or would

3018
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,700
they not want tissue samples blood

3019
02:17:34,190 --> 02:17:31,679
samples maybe sperm samples and egg

3020
02:17:37,610 --> 02:17:34,200
samples who knows

3021
02:17:40,610 --> 02:17:37,620
um I think the answer would be yes if we

3022
02:17:43,549 --> 02:17:40,620
let's say for example we encountered A

3023
02:17:46,490 --> 02:17:43,559
Primitive species like let's say

3024
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:46,500
we finally got Interstellar travel

3025
02:17:53,450 --> 02:17:49,679
capability and and we went to another

3026
02:17:56,089 --> 02:17:53,460
star a nearby star system that had a

3027
02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:56,099
planet one of those planets had life on

3028
02:17:59,770 --> 02:17:58,080
it and there was a very primitive let's

3029
02:18:03,770 --> 02:17:59,780
just say

3030
02:18:07,129 --> 02:18:03,780
caveman-like species what we as humans

3031
02:18:08,810 --> 02:18:07,139
not grab one of them get samples and

3032
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:08,820
take them back to Earth I believe we

3033
02:18:11,810 --> 02:18:09,599
would

3034
02:18:13,790 --> 02:18:11,820
so I can understand why it's a

3035
02:18:15,709 --> 02:18:13,800
believable scenario

3036
02:18:17,870 --> 02:18:15,719
but again I always come back to the lack

3037
02:18:20,450 --> 02:18:17,880
of evidence the lack of proof it's it's

3038
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:20,460
kind of troubling for me

3039
02:18:25,129 --> 02:18:23,040
um even if the experiences were

3040
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:25,139
drug-induced they would not be exactly

3041
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:26,880
the same yeah and that's another thing

3042
02:18:31,730 --> 02:18:28,500
people claim drugs

3043
02:18:33,889 --> 02:18:31,740
uh people claim sleep paralysis which I

3044
02:18:35,870 --> 02:18:33,899
don't really buy you know sleep

3045
02:18:38,030 --> 02:18:35,880
paralysis is one thing but why are you

3046
02:18:39,950 --> 02:18:38,040
seeing aliens but interestingly

3047
02:18:44,450 --> 02:18:39,960
look it up there's something called the

3048
02:18:49,009 --> 02:18:44,460
god helmet and people did this magnetic

3049
02:18:50,570 --> 02:18:49,019
hell helmet and people had very similar

3050
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,580
experiences to alien abduction

3051
02:18:55,490 --> 02:18:52,559
experiences they

3052
02:18:59,389 --> 02:18:55,500
felt like they were interacting with

3053
02:19:02,150 --> 02:18:59,399
another being and the being was more

3054
02:19:04,250 --> 02:19:02,160
than human let's just say

3055
02:19:07,250 --> 02:19:04,260
um and these were experiences that were

3056
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,260
induced in them by magnetic fields on a

3057
02:19:12,110 --> 02:19:10,080
helmet who's to say that this is not

3058
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:12,120
some neurological

3059
02:19:17,929 --> 02:19:14,639
thing that is being generated in the

3060
02:19:21,469 --> 02:19:17,939
mind due to an external Catalyst or

3061
02:19:23,570 --> 02:19:21,479
trigger like a magnetic field and it's

3062
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:23,580
well known that actually magnetic fields

3063
02:19:29,870 --> 02:19:26,719
can cause dizziness drowsiness

3064
02:19:33,469 --> 02:19:29,880
hallucinations auditory hallucinations

3065
02:19:35,389 --> 02:19:33,479
visual hallucinations and more you get

3066
02:19:38,990 --> 02:19:35,399
close to a very strong magnetic field

3067
02:19:40,370 --> 02:19:39,000
and your brain starts doing things I've

3068
02:19:44,030 --> 02:19:40,380
often thought

3069
02:19:46,009 --> 02:19:44,040
that this may be uh one of the

3070
02:19:48,410 --> 02:19:46,019
explanations for this event

3071
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:48,420
who's to say that these people

3072
02:19:56,929 --> 02:19:53,280
don't have some generator near them or

3073
02:20:00,349 --> 02:19:56,939
power lines that are causing magnetic

3074
02:20:02,810 --> 02:20:00,359
fields to be stronger than usual and

3075
02:20:05,690 --> 02:20:02,820
causing some sort of neurological effect

3076
02:20:07,130 --> 02:20:05,700
which becomes the so-called abduction

3077
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,140
experience

3078
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:10,080
and I've interestingly noted that none

3079
02:20:14,570 --> 02:20:12,000
of these abduction researchers have ever

3080
02:20:16,670 --> 02:20:14,580
eliminated that possibility that would

3081
02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:16,680
be the first thing that I would do is go

3082
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:18,800
to this person's home

3083
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,840
and use a magnetometer to see what the

3084
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:24,080
magnetic fields were like in the area

3085
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:27,600
that they live in or sleep in

3086
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:28,560
um

3087
02:20:33,770 --> 02:20:31,439
you know I'm not really sure if that's a

3088
02:20:36,889 --> 02:20:33,780
valid hypothesis but it's just as valid

3089
02:20:38,530 --> 02:20:36,899
as aliens coming here and and kidnapping

3090
02:20:41,150 --> 02:20:38,540
people at night

3091
02:20:43,370 --> 02:20:41,160
DMT has also been mentioned at a

3092
02:20:45,410 --> 02:20:43,380
possible explanation and

3093
02:20:47,389 --> 02:20:45,420
um Steve Nicholson says it could be too

3094
02:20:49,490 --> 02:20:47,399
much Wi-Fi yeah who knows what these

3095
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:49,500
signals what affects these symbols

3096
02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:52,319
signals have on us as humans

3097
02:20:56,750 --> 02:20:54,180
neurologically

3098
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:56,760
um it's very very probable that there

3099
02:21:01,730 --> 02:20:59,280
could be some external catalysts that

3100
02:21:04,030 --> 02:21:01,740
are creating these experiences in the

3101
02:21:06,590 --> 02:21:04,040
mind of the people

3102
02:21:09,650 --> 02:21:06,600
regardless of whether I believe it's

3103
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,660
aliens demons interdimensional beings it

3104
02:21:15,050 --> 02:21:11,760
is a fascinating subject and fascinating

3105
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:15,060
to me that so many people are having

3106
02:21:20,929 --> 02:21:18,720
very similar experiences all around the

3107
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:20,939
world and it goes across religious

3108
02:21:25,790 --> 02:21:23,100
barriers it goes across cultural

3109
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:25,800
barriers educational barriers all

3110
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:27,120
different people from all different

3111
02:21:33,410 --> 02:21:30,080
walks of life ages cultural experiences

3112
02:21:37,730 --> 02:21:33,420
religious backgrounds

3113
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:37,740
are all having these experiences so to

3114
02:21:41,389 --> 02:21:38,640
me

3115
02:21:45,309 --> 02:21:41,399
it remains a great mystery worthy of

3116
02:21:49,670 --> 02:21:45,319
further study and further research but

3117
02:21:51,530 --> 02:21:49,680
uh I would research this from more of a

3118
02:21:54,530 --> 02:21:51,540
skeptical side

3119
02:21:56,210 --> 02:21:54,540
but I am open to all possibilities and

3120
02:21:58,010 --> 02:21:56,220
have remained so for quite some time

3121
02:22:00,170 --> 02:21:58,020
there are students in London that are

3122
02:22:03,010 --> 02:22:00,180
mapping the DMT space and the entities

3123
02:22:05,870 --> 02:22:03,020
in them and my friend is studying

3124
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:05,880
androgynous DMT excretion at University

3125
02:22:10,630 --> 02:22:08,399
of Mexico DMT is another good

3126
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,640
explanation Jeremy Walter there is

3127
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:12,960
substantial and supportive evidence that

3128
02:22:16,670 --> 02:22:15,120
the body for various reasons can

3129
02:22:19,570 --> 02:22:16,680
suddenly release

3130
02:22:23,410 --> 02:22:19,580
too much DMT and that can cause

3131
02:22:26,270 --> 02:22:23,420
hallucinations false memories paranoia

3132
02:22:28,910 --> 02:22:26,280
psychotic breakdowns and and literally

3133
02:22:31,389 --> 02:22:28,920
like people are tripping and interacting

3134
02:22:35,570 --> 02:22:31,399
with so-called entities

3135
02:22:37,450 --> 02:22:35,580
if you haven't uh well we don't want to

3136
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,460
suggest that anybody do anything

3137
02:22:42,410 --> 02:22:39,840
especially an illegal substance however

3138
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:42,420
I can just recount my own personal

3139
02:22:47,210 --> 02:22:45,120
experiences if if you have experience

3140
02:22:49,070 --> 02:22:47,220
with DMT

3141
02:22:52,610 --> 02:22:49,080
I don't want to say it's similar to

3142
02:22:55,610 --> 02:22:52,620
alien abduction experience but I

3143
02:22:58,550 --> 02:22:55,620
felt like I interacted with entities not

3144
02:23:01,250 --> 02:22:58,560
the mechanical elves mine seemed to be

3145
02:23:06,770 --> 02:23:03,290
I guess why I had multiple experiences

3146
02:23:07,490 --> 02:23:06,780
and one of them they were extremely

3147
02:23:10,670 --> 02:23:07,500
um

3148
02:23:11,570 --> 02:23:10,680
I would just call them light beings

3149
02:23:14,110 --> 02:23:11,580
um

3150
02:23:17,450 --> 02:23:14,120
but they appeared to be

3151
02:23:21,290 --> 02:23:17,460
intelligent more than human and from

3152
02:23:24,530 --> 02:23:21,300
outside of our normal space of reality

3153
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,540
could somebody else uh have too much DMT

3154
02:23:29,150 --> 02:23:26,640
in their system maybe not intentionally

3155
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,160
ingest EMT but have this spontaneous

3156
02:23:33,230 --> 02:23:31,200
release of DMT and have a similar

3157
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,240
experience to what I have but interpret

3158
02:23:37,370 --> 02:23:35,760
them as aliens I think absolutely they

3159
02:23:38,929 --> 02:23:37,380
could

3160
02:23:40,910 --> 02:23:38,939
um and as I said at the beginning of the

3161
02:23:44,090 --> 02:23:40,920
broadcast

3162
02:23:49,730 --> 02:23:47,389
the greatest monsters ever created all

3163
02:23:52,190 --> 02:23:49,740
came from the human mind it wasn't the

3164
02:23:55,130 --> 02:23:52,200
devil it wasn't aliens it was all

3165
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:55,140
imaginings of the human mind Jeremy

3166
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:57,120
Walter says Neuroscience is an exciting

3167
02:24:00,770 --> 02:23:59,040
place to be right now I was at that path

3168
02:24:03,710 --> 02:24:00,780
before the lockdown happened now I'm

3169
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:03,720
back to my photography well you know

3170
02:24:11,690 --> 02:24:10,730
yeah uh and that's another thing missing

3171
02:24:14,690 --> 02:24:11,700
time

3172
02:24:17,210 --> 02:24:14,700
um I felt like I was nowhere and I felt

3173
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:17,220
like Aaron Flores uh when I had a DMT

3174
02:24:21,230 --> 02:24:19,439
experience which by the way I'm not

3175
02:24:22,790 --> 02:24:21,240
recommending or wherever I'm just

3176
02:24:24,530 --> 02:24:22,800
recounting my own personal experience

3177
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:24,540
consult your doctor never do anything

3178
02:24:31,309 --> 02:24:29,040
you know illegal or possibly harmful

3179
02:24:34,670 --> 02:24:31,319
um we're not advising you to do that but

3180
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:34,680
in my experience with these substances

3181
02:24:40,570 --> 02:24:36,000
um

3182
02:24:45,650 --> 02:24:40,580
I felt like I was there for days

3183
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:45,660
and so is that missing time or is that a

3184
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:48,479
skewing of your perception of time

3185
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:51,840
and one can also just recount if you've

3186
02:24:58,490 --> 02:24:54,240
ever had experience of marijuana of time

3187
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,500
slowing down right I have like you know

3188
02:25:03,410 --> 02:25:00,960
I once uh had some edibles and I took a

3189
02:25:05,929 --> 02:25:03,420
walk and it felt like the walk took me

3190
02:25:07,130 --> 02:25:05,939
three hours it was 20 minute walk

3191
02:25:10,010 --> 02:25:07,140
so

3192
02:25:12,410 --> 02:25:10,020
the mind is easily fooled our senses are

3193
02:25:14,090 --> 02:25:12,420
easily fooled there's a lot of factors

3194
02:25:15,889 --> 02:25:14,100
here that I don't think people are

3195
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:15,899
properly exploring we've talked about

3196
02:25:22,610 --> 02:25:18,720
the possibility of magnetic fields

3197
02:25:25,309 --> 02:25:22,620
creating these experiences we've talked

3198
02:25:27,730 --> 02:25:25,319
about the DMT or spontaneous release of

3199
02:25:29,929 --> 02:25:27,740
DMT possibly causing these experiences

3200
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:29,939
maybe there's some neurological

3201
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:32,640
condition that is uh

3202
02:25:38,690 --> 02:25:35,760
not very well researched or well known

3203
02:25:40,490 --> 02:25:38,700
among neurologists that can cause these

3204
02:25:43,250 --> 02:25:40,500
sort of experiences

3205
02:25:45,849 --> 02:25:43,260
there's many many possibilities here but

3206
02:25:48,650 --> 02:25:45,859
I would like to go more down this road

3207
02:25:50,750 --> 02:25:48,660
from a science perspective and less from

3208
02:25:53,389 --> 02:25:50,760
a just listen to stories and believe

3209
02:25:54,410 --> 02:25:53,399
these people perspective and it seems to

3210
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:54,420
me

3211
02:25:59,210 --> 02:25:56,399
that most of the researchers were very

3212
02:26:02,030 --> 02:25:59,220
profit driven and they had a profit

3213
02:26:04,190 --> 02:26:02,040
motive in order to create

3214
02:26:06,290 --> 02:26:04,200
the so-called evidence that they

3215
02:26:08,809 --> 02:26:06,300
presented much of which is anecdotal

3216
02:26:10,670 --> 02:26:08,819
stories and a lot of people told me the

3217
02:26:12,830 --> 02:26:10,680
same thing therefore there must be

3218
02:26:14,570 --> 02:26:12,840
something to this and yeah I think there

3219
02:26:18,290 --> 02:26:14,580
is something

3220
02:26:20,210 --> 02:26:18,300
to to this Aaron Flores says during DMT

3221
02:26:22,250 --> 02:26:20,220
you were no longer conscious in this 3D

3222
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:22,260
space and time well it sure feels like

3223
02:26:30,889 --> 02:26:25,680
that it sure feels like that right Mike

3224
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:33,349
roller podger says don't go to a fake

3225
02:26:38,570 --> 02:26:36,000
CIA Shaman in the jungle yeah we don't

3226
02:26:40,910 --> 02:26:38,580
recommend that Bob Marley is here and

3227
02:26:42,410 --> 02:26:40,920
says a lot of the very intelligent that

3228
02:26:44,690 --> 02:26:42,420
we're not religious became religious

3229
02:26:46,610 --> 02:26:44,700
after looking into UFOs so man I think

3230
02:26:50,270 --> 02:26:46,620
it's best to try to keep a few options

3231
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:50,280
open of what UFOs are yeah I'm still

3232
02:26:56,450 --> 02:26:53,280
open to all possibilities among mine are

3233
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:56,460
interdimensional beings Time Travelers

3234
02:27:03,290 --> 02:26:59,520
um demons Angels or other spiritual

3235
02:27:05,389 --> 02:27:03,300
entities masquerading or just appearing

3236
02:27:07,130 --> 02:27:05,399
to people through a cultural lens to

3237
02:27:09,410 --> 02:27:07,140
look a certain way or be a certain way

3238
02:27:12,110 --> 02:27:09,420
people somehow perceiving them as as

3239
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:12,120
aliens instead of what they truly are

3240
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:15,600
I'm open to all possibilities right at

3241
02:27:20,330 --> 02:27:18,240
all possibilities right Mike says I

3242
02:27:22,490 --> 02:27:20,340
liked all 27 hours well as long as

3243
02:27:25,370 --> 02:27:22,500
you're enjoying it right and God forbid

3244
02:27:27,889 --> 02:27:25,380
I do a 27 hour stream I get enough uh

3245
02:27:29,809 --> 02:27:27,899
haters when I do a four hour stream you

3246
02:27:31,610 --> 02:27:29,819
know people say I'm doing that to get

3247
02:27:33,250 --> 02:27:31,620
another dollar super chat or something

3248
02:27:35,389 --> 02:27:33,260
no

3249
02:27:37,250 --> 02:27:35,399
there have been times when all the super

3250
02:27:38,870 --> 02:27:37,260
chats came in the first 20 minutes of a

3251
02:27:41,210 --> 02:27:38,880
show and I still did a four hour show

3252
02:27:44,990 --> 02:27:41,220
I'm not waiting around for another two

3253
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,000
dollar Super Chat uh oh man

3254
02:27:51,230 --> 02:27:48,000
yeah and uh I would like to take a

3255
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:51,240
moment to uh to uh mention something we

3256
02:27:54,830 --> 02:27:53,520
have been on Rumble for a few months now

3257
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:54,840
and

3258
02:27:57,469 --> 02:27:55,680
um

3259
02:27:59,690 --> 02:27:57,479
you know I'm kind of used to critical

3260
02:28:01,610 --> 02:27:59,700
comments and I'm I'm a big boy I got a

3261
02:28:03,469 --> 02:28:01,620
thick skin you can be critical You can

3262
02:28:06,650 --> 02:28:03,479
disagree with me we have a free speech

3263
02:28:10,370 --> 02:28:06,660
Zone here I I really don't care but uh

3264
02:28:13,610 --> 02:28:10,380
boy that that Rumble is really uh

3265
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:13,620
I guess it skewed One Way politically

3266
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:16,560
and although I can scream from the top

3267
02:28:22,250 --> 02:28:19,200
of my lungs that I am neither right nor

3268
02:28:23,450 --> 02:28:22,260
left I'm sort of a centerist uh I

3269
02:28:25,849 --> 02:28:23,460
believe that

3270
02:28:27,349 --> 02:28:25,859
the right gets some things right or I

3271
02:28:29,150 --> 02:28:27,359
agree with something's the right like

3272
02:28:31,429 --> 02:28:29,160
and want to do and I agree with some

3273
02:28:33,710 --> 02:28:31,439
things the left like and want to do like

3274
02:28:34,849 --> 02:28:33,720
Universal Health Care I I believe in

3275
02:28:39,050 --> 02:28:34,859
that

3276
02:28:42,889 --> 02:28:39,060
um but for whatever reason I kind of

3277
02:28:44,929 --> 02:28:42,899
said that I thought that Q was garbage

3278
02:28:47,929 --> 02:28:44,939
and there's an awful lot of evidence

3279
02:28:49,790 --> 02:28:47,939
that it was all garbage and boy are we

3280
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:49,800
getting hammered in those comments

3281
02:28:53,570 --> 02:28:51,600
because of that

3282
02:28:55,730 --> 02:28:53,580
um we did our show it's called the

3283
02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:55,740
darker side of conspiracies

3284
02:29:00,050 --> 02:28:58,080
and I talked about the detrimental

3285
02:29:02,929 --> 02:29:00,060
effects that that had how it had some

3286
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:02,939
influence on Trump supporters in January

3287
02:29:09,410 --> 02:29:05,760
6 and suddenly I'm the devil I'm a

3288
02:29:12,410 --> 02:29:09,420
leftist maggot so

3289
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:12,420
uh what and and also you know I got sort

3290
02:29:16,070 --> 02:29:14,399
of warned earlier was the Eric Awakening

3291
02:29:17,929 --> 02:29:16,080
man it's like well it'll be interesting

3292
02:29:20,330 --> 02:29:17,939
to see how you come down on this subject

3293
02:29:22,250 --> 02:29:20,340
because what did he say he he basically

3294
02:29:24,250 --> 02:29:22,260
said that thousands of people are going

3295
02:29:28,130 --> 02:29:24,260
to be angry at me if I don't do

3296
02:29:30,889 --> 02:29:28,140
tonight's show the way that you know I

3297
02:29:33,469 --> 02:29:30,899
guess to uh

3298
02:29:36,290 --> 02:29:33,479
to be on the believer's side and listen

3299
02:29:38,990 --> 02:29:36,300
I I thought that tonight was very

3300
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:39,000
grounded and and I gave you my opinions

3301
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:40,800
people are free to have their own

3302
02:29:46,010 --> 02:29:43,680
opinions I'm always respectful to

3303
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,020
experiencers because it's not easy

3304
02:29:49,969 --> 02:29:48,479
coming out with those crazy stories I'm

3305
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:49,979
sure that you become the subject of

3306
02:29:53,809 --> 02:29:52,800
ridicule and mockery and I try to not do

3307
02:29:56,330 --> 02:29:53,819
that

3308
02:29:58,130 --> 02:29:56,340
and I also am just respectful of

3309
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:58,140
people's experiences you come to me and

3310
02:30:01,250 --> 02:29:59,520
you tell me you're abducted by aliens

3311
02:30:04,429 --> 02:30:01,260
I'm not going to make fun of you I love

3312
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:04,439
aliens I'm I'm here I'm interested in

3313
02:30:08,330 --> 02:30:05,840
all things

3314
02:30:11,570 --> 02:30:08,340
involved in these topics

3315
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:11,580
but I sort of got warned like you better

3316
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:14,640
do the show a certain way or thousands

3317
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:16,319
of people are going to be angry at you I

3318
02:30:19,790 --> 02:30:17,520
don't know if you thought I would just

3319
02:30:21,050 --> 02:30:19,800
be completely dismissive

3320
02:30:23,809 --> 02:30:21,060
of

3321
02:30:25,490 --> 02:30:23,819
um you know the whole alien abduction

3322
02:30:27,410 --> 02:30:25,500
phenomenon

3323
02:30:29,510 --> 02:30:27,420
or whatever

3324
02:30:31,730 --> 02:30:29,520
um yeah and what did Eric say he said

3325
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:31,740
I'm curious how far over the line you

3326
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:33,840
will take this if you choose the wrong

3327
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:36,240
side here you will be forever detested

3328
02:30:40,730 --> 02:30:38,580
by literally thousands on Twitter and

3329
02:30:42,830 --> 02:30:40,740
Beyond I wish you luck

3330
02:30:44,990 --> 02:30:42,840
you know like these are not helpful

3331
02:30:46,730 --> 02:30:45,000
comments like are you threatening me to

3332
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:46,740
do a show

3333
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:49,680
you know I'm not here doing a popularity

3334
02:30:55,550 --> 02:30:52,800
contest if I was we would be all

3335
02:30:58,309 --> 02:30:55,560
believer woo all the time and get 10

3336
02:30:59,870 --> 02:30:58,319
times the views that we get now if I was

3337
02:31:02,809 --> 02:30:59,880
here solely uh

3338
02:31:04,370 --> 02:31:02,819
you know for financial gain or solely to

3339
02:31:08,330 --> 02:31:04,380
be popular

3340
02:31:10,190 --> 02:31:08,340
with certain groups like you know UFO

3341
02:31:13,370 --> 02:31:10,200
land or whatever

3342
02:31:14,929 --> 02:31:13,380
I would not be skeptical at all so it

3343
02:31:18,110 --> 02:31:14,939
doesn't make sense to sort of throw

3344
02:31:20,450 --> 02:31:18,120
things like this at me and um so I

3345
02:31:22,969 --> 02:31:20,460
suppose the rumble situation or people

3346
02:31:25,250 --> 02:31:22,979
being real nasty all of a sudden because

3347
02:31:27,410 --> 02:31:25,260
they don't like that I don't like

3348
02:31:30,170 --> 02:31:27,420
you know booing on

3349
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:30,180
or I think going on is garbage and by

3350
02:31:36,170 --> 02:31:32,399
the way there's evidence that that was a

3351
02:31:39,110 --> 02:31:36,180
government op you people that love those

3352
02:31:41,570 --> 02:31:39,120
stupid stories and you know here's the

3353
02:31:44,389 --> 02:31:41,580
thing if you disagree with me great I

3354
02:31:46,370 --> 02:31:44,399
don't care if you really gonna tell me

3355
02:31:49,250 --> 02:31:46,380
you hate my show and I suck because I

3356
02:31:51,950 --> 02:31:49,260
don't like doing on there go watch Simon

3357
02:31:54,230 --> 02:31:51,960
Parks tell fairy tales about Med beds

3358
02:31:55,070 --> 02:31:54,240
you dummy don't come here it's very

3359
02:31:58,670 --> 02:31:55,080
simple

3360
02:32:01,270 --> 02:31:58,680
and as far as this popularity contest we

3361
02:32:03,950 --> 02:32:01,280
cut we conquer

3362
02:32:06,290 --> 02:32:03,960
controversial subjects almost every

3363
02:32:10,250 --> 02:32:06,300
night here everything we do is a

3364
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:10,260
controversial subject you know so

3365
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:12,960
I can't I can't

3366
02:32:21,170 --> 02:32:18,290
for the sole reason of not pissing

3367
02:32:23,870 --> 02:32:21,180
people off or you know not wanting

3368
02:32:26,270 --> 02:32:23,880
people to disagree with me this is not a

3369
02:32:29,230 --> 02:32:26,280
popularity contest it's a search for the

3370
02:32:32,450 --> 02:32:29,240
truth truth Seekers of these subjects

3371
02:32:34,730 --> 02:32:32,460
and I will say that I try to be balanced

3372
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:34,740
and even though I lean more skeptical

3373
02:32:39,710 --> 02:32:37,439
you all know that I try to be fair

3374
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:39,720
to the other side I try to be fair to

3375
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:42,240
the people making the claims I try to be

3376
02:32:47,150 --> 02:32:44,160
fair to people who have personal

3377
02:32:49,010 --> 02:32:47,160
experiences and personal and are very

3378
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:49,020
fervent in their beliefs I respect

3379
02:32:54,050 --> 02:32:51,600
people who are really deep in their

3380
02:32:56,510 --> 02:32:54,060
beliefs and you know I've got a friend

3381
02:32:58,670 --> 02:32:56,520
uh who by the way is a little paranoid

3382
02:33:01,309 --> 02:32:58,680
but he's convinced that the aliens are

3383
02:33:04,309 --> 02:33:01,319
here they've they're here we've got the

3384
02:33:07,309 --> 02:33:04,319
bodies they're studying us and people

3385
02:33:08,990 --> 02:33:07,319
are being abducted and by the way on the

3386
02:33:11,150 --> 02:33:09,000
subject of alien abductions we should

3387
02:33:13,849 --> 02:33:11,160
mention that there is a lot of stories

3388
02:33:17,929 --> 02:33:13,859
that Eisenhower signs some kind of a

3389
02:33:20,809 --> 02:33:17,939
treaty with the with the aliens that we

3390
02:33:23,270 --> 02:33:20,819
would get some form of technology and in

3391
02:33:25,610 --> 02:33:23,280
exchange we would allow the aliens to

3392
02:33:27,710 --> 02:33:25,620
abduct a certain number of people but

3393
02:33:29,809 --> 02:33:27,720
apparently the aliens have taken way too

3394
02:33:31,070 --> 02:33:29,819
many people they're over their agreement

3395
02:33:34,969 --> 02:33:31,080
limit or

3396
02:33:36,770 --> 02:33:34,979
I mean but there's no actual real or

3397
02:33:40,190 --> 02:33:36,780
verifiable evidence to support that

3398
02:33:42,469 --> 02:33:40,200
again it's an anecdote a story a a trust

3399
02:33:43,730 --> 02:33:42,479
me dude uh but I thought I should

3400
02:33:48,530 --> 02:33:43,740
mention that

3401
02:33:49,849 --> 02:33:48,540
so insofar as uh you know people being

3402
02:33:52,250 --> 02:33:49,859
critical because they don't like

3403
02:33:53,330 --> 02:33:52,260
something that I said on the show like I

3404
02:33:56,889 --> 02:33:53,340
can't

3405
02:34:00,349 --> 02:33:56,899
I cannot and I will not

3406
02:34:02,330 --> 02:34:00,359
not say things that I believe because it

3407
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:02,340
may upset

3408
02:34:07,190 --> 02:34:05,520
people of different beliefs I can't I

3409
02:34:10,190 --> 02:34:07,200
don't you know how am I supposed to

3410
02:34:12,530 --> 02:34:10,200
navigate that like if if I had to do a

3411
02:34:16,010 --> 02:34:12,540
show and every day say well I can't say

3412
02:34:18,410 --> 02:34:16,020
that because people who you know

3413
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:18,420
believe in Boone on will get upset

3414
02:34:24,770 --> 02:34:20,640
because I've said that and stop watching

3415
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:24,780
you know I'm sorry if you if you are not

3416
02:34:30,530 --> 02:34:27,180
um feeling like watching or listening

3417
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:30,540
here is worth your time there's 8 000

3418
02:34:35,450 --> 02:34:33,120
other streams going on at the same exact

3419
02:34:37,250 --> 02:34:35,460
time ours is I invite you to find one

3420
02:34:40,190 --> 02:34:37,260
that you enjoy more

3421
02:34:41,450 --> 02:34:40,200
I'm going to continue to try to be uh

3422
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:41,460
you know

3423
02:34:47,870 --> 02:34:45,359
I don't know uh balanced and and

3424
02:34:51,469 --> 02:34:47,880
measured and and

3425
02:34:54,410 --> 02:34:51,479
you know tell the story of of the

3426
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:54,420
subject but I have to interject my own

3427
02:34:58,370 --> 02:34:56,640
opinions or we won't have a show

3428
02:35:02,210 --> 02:34:58,380
right

3429
02:35:04,429 --> 02:35:02,220
me uh

3430
02:35:06,349 --> 02:35:04,439
oh Amy Collins I would love to see a

3431
02:35:09,490 --> 02:35:06,359
compilation of all his cat Queen stories

3432
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:09,500
I'm I'm gonna find that stuff I'm gonna

3433
02:35:13,610 --> 02:35:12,000
I'm gonna find that stuff some of those

3434
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,620
stories are so funny when he starts

3435
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:15,600
having sex with the cat Queen alien and

3436
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:18,479
he has alien cat Queen alien hybrid

3437
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:20,399
babies and stuff

3438
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:35,270
yeah uh I love it

3439
02:35:40,010 --> 02:35:37,190
why is somebody

3440
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:40,020
asking me about Carl wolf in the live

3441
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:48,650
yeah I'm not really a huge

3442
02:35:54,590 --> 02:35:52,080
I'm not really uh oh maybe I have the

3443
02:35:57,410 --> 02:35:54,600
wrong I'm thinking of the wrong Carl

3444
02:36:00,770 --> 02:35:57,420
wolf I was thinking of the

3445
02:36:06,230 --> 02:36:03,830
you mean the artists Carl wolf

3446
02:36:10,670 --> 02:36:06,240
we'll show some images of Carl Wolf's

3447
02:36:14,929 --> 02:36:13,190
it yeah I mean I'm not very familiar

3448
02:36:18,590 --> 02:36:14,939
with them I'm aware he's an artist I'm

3449
02:36:21,290 --> 02:36:18,600
not very familiar with his work I uh for

3450
02:36:23,870 --> 02:36:21,300
a Time painted Landscapes though

3451
02:36:26,990 --> 02:36:23,880
and um

3452
02:36:29,150 --> 02:36:27,000
I kind of like looking at anybody else

3453
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:29,160
that does Landscapes just to compare and

3454
02:36:32,270 --> 02:36:31,200
contrast and by the way let's be very

3455
02:36:35,630 --> 02:36:32,280
clear

3456
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:35,640
I did not do regular Landscapes or what

3457
02:36:42,590 --> 02:36:38,640
you would consider a regular landscape

3458
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:42,600
like a uh like a Bob Ross kind of you

3459
02:36:47,690 --> 02:36:45,359
know no mine were like trippy they were

3460
02:36:49,910 --> 02:36:47,700
Landscapes but they were very trippy

3461
02:36:53,929 --> 02:36:49,920
wow that's so weird I'm sorry about that

3462
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:53,939
we have some flashing going on in the uh

3463
02:36:59,210 --> 02:36:56,640
in the screen next to me

3464
02:37:01,790 --> 02:36:59,220
um and by the way interestingly

3465
02:37:05,630 --> 02:37:01,800
I have a friend that I I haven't talked

3466
02:37:07,849 --> 02:37:05,640
to in ages uh who was an artist and he

3467
02:37:09,410 --> 02:37:07,859
and I just talked and he said yeah you

3468
02:37:10,849 --> 02:37:09,420
really should paint again because I have

3469
02:37:14,770 --> 02:37:10,859
all these connections and you could sell

3470
02:37:18,889 --> 02:37:14,780
a lot of paintings and I said really

3471
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,899
so I I've just begun digging out some of

3472
02:37:22,670 --> 02:37:21,120
my old art supplies and getting some new

3473
02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:22,680
art supplies and I'm going to try

3474
02:37:28,370 --> 02:37:25,040
painting again but the last time I tried

3475
02:37:31,130 --> 02:37:28,380
I just failed miserably and in order to

3476
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:31,140
get back to where I was I probably Steve

3477
02:37:35,570 --> 02:37:33,120
Nicholson have to paint 10 or 20

3478
02:37:37,250 --> 02:37:35,580
horrible paintings first before I'll

3479
02:37:39,469 --> 02:37:37,260
sort of get back in the groove and be

3480
02:37:41,150 --> 02:37:39,479
able to do it right again

3481
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:41,160
um but I'm still going to do it I'm

3482
02:37:45,650 --> 02:37:43,439
still going to try again because I

3483
02:37:49,070 --> 02:37:45,660
really used to enjoy that it was very

3484
02:37:50,750 --> 02:37:49,080
relaxing to me and uh you get it you get

3485
02:37:52,849 --> 02:37:50,760
a painting when you're done you can give

3486
02:37:54,530 --> 02:37:52,859
it away I give a lot of ways gifts and

3487
02:37:58,490 --> 02:37:54,540
things right

3488
02:38:01,190 --> 02:37:58,500
and uh but I'll look I'll look at more

3489
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:01,200
of Carl Wolff's work uh it's funny that

3490
02:38:04,849 --> 02:38:02,399
you mentioned that because I'm just

3491
02:38:08,570 --> 02:38:04,859
getting back into painting again myself

3492
02:38:10,730 --> 02:38:08,580
uh but quite honestly I have uh talk

3493
02:38:12,349 --> 02:38:10,740
about profit motives uh when my friend

3494
02:38:14,990 --> 02:38:12,359
told me how much you could make even

3495
02:38:16,250 --> 02:38:15,000
just selling Landscapes on eBay right

3496
02:38:17,690 --> 02:38:16,260
now

3497
02:38:19,309 --> 02:38:17,700
um I said

3498
02:38:22,610 --> 02:38:19,319
I think I'm gonna start painting again

3499
02:38:24,889 --> 02:38:22,620
I've been looking for an excuse

3500
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:24,899
Davina TK with a Kind and Generous

3501
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:27,120
twenty dollars uh thank you for your

3502
02:38:32,330 --> 02:38:29,040
kindness generosity and support and

3503
02:38:35,450 --> 02:38:32,340
thank you as well especially uh coming

3504
02:38:39,290 --> 02:38:35,460
from a member so not only is Davina TK a

3505
02:38:42,290 --> 02:38:39,300
member uh Davina is also throwing down a

3506
02:38:44,690 --> 02:38:42,300
Kind and Generous 20 Super Chat and

3507
02:38:50,030 --> 02:38:44,700
helping us to praise the cash thank you

3508
02:38:59,150 --> 02:38:55,910
[Music]

3509
02:39:00,590 --> 02:38:59,160
yes we thank you for kindness generosity

3510
02:39:03,710 --> 02:39:00,600
and support

3511
02:39:05,389 --> 02:39:03,720
uh thank you very very much and UFO John

3512
02:39:07,849 --> 02:39:05,399
Doe is here I haven't seen you in a

3513
02:39:09,950 --> 02:39:07,859
while good to see you here UFO John Doe

3514
02:39:11,630 --> 02:39:09,960
and thank you for being a member and

3515
02:39:13,790 --> 02:39:11,640
thank you for your kindness generosity

3516
02:39:17,090 --> 02:39:13,800
and continued support long time show

3517
02:39:18,830 --> 02:39:17,100
supporter UFO John Doe I think UFO John

3518
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:18,840
Doe single-handedly oh I don't want to

3519
02:39:23,809 --> 02:39:20,640
pick it up

3520
02:39:25,790 --> 02:39:23,819
there's like some stuff on the court UFO

3521
02:39:27,469 --> 02:39:25,800
John Doe single-handedly bought me this

3522
02:39:29,450 --> 02:39:27,479
wonderful microphone that I'm using

3523
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:29,460
because of his kindness generosity and

3524
02:39:33,950 --> 02:39:30,960
support we want to thank him and

3525
02:39:35,630 --> 02:39:33,960
recognize him for that says they man

3526
02:39:37,309 --> 02:39:35,640
because each year disclosure is supposed

3527
02:39:39,290 --> 02:39:37,319
to happen each year it never comes

3528
02:39:42,110 --> 02:39:39,300
Corbell says January was going to start

3529
02:39:45,050 --> 02:39:42,120
with the bang crickets hey we got seven

3530
02:39:47,750 --> 02:39:45,060
or eight more days left in January UFO

3531
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:47,760
John Doe why you got to be a hater why

3532
02:39:53,110 --> 02:39:50,640
you gotta be a hater UFO John though why

3533
02:39:56,030 --> 02:39:53,120
can't you just

3534
02:39:58,370 --> 02:39:56,040
anyway uh thank you for your kindness

3535
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:58,380
generosity and support of the show UFO

3536
02:40:06,990 --> 02:40:01,439
John Doe A continuing supporter and a

3537
02:40:19,570 --> 02:40:11,230
[Music]

3538
02:40:24,290 --> 02:40:22,130
thank you for your kindness generosity

3539
02:40:26,929 --> 02:40:24,300
and support all you guys it's much much

3540
02:40:29,570 --> 02:40:26,939
appreciated uh so I mentioned if you're

3541
02:40:31,610 --> 02:40:29,580
just joining us that we're going back to

3542
02:40:35,210 --> 02:40:31,620
maybe Monday Tuesday Wednesday live

3543
02:40:36,650 --> 02:40:35,220
shows maybe Thursday uh you know I I

3544
02:40:40,130 --> 02:40:36,660
just want to say that I don't want

3545
02:40:42,830 --> 02:40:40,140
anybody to be surprised if one week I

3546
02:40:45,290 --> 02:40:42,840
get busy with other things and I decide

3547
02:40:46,490 --> 02:40:45,300
I'm just gonna do even two shows like

3548
02:40:47,929 --> 02:40:46,500
maybe I'll just do Monday and Tuesday

3549
02:40:50,330 --> 02:40:47,939
and that's all I got for you for the

3550
02:40:52,730 --> 02:40:50,340
week I have others I I really have other

3551
02:40:55,130 --> 02:40:52,740
priorities and you know how that goes

3552
02:40:57,469 --> 02:40:55,140
like when you start ignoring certain

3553
02:40:59,690 --> 02:40:57,479
aspects of your life to focus too much

3554
02:41:02,809 --> 02:40:59,700
on other aspects of your life things are

3555
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:02,819
out of balance and I need I have to get

3556
02:41:06,530 --> 02:41:05,760
back to some form of balance so that

3557
02:41:09,530 --> 02:41:06,540
um

3558
02:41:12,290 --> 02:41:09,540
you know things are balanced again I

3559
02:41:15,410 --> 02:41:12,300
don't know how else to say it uh and I

3560
02:41:18,290 --> 02:41:15,420
certainly have other goals I got

3561
02:41:20,210 --> 02:41:18,300
um you can all remember and recall that

3562
02:41:21,650 --> 02:41:20,220
I used to go to the cabin and still do a

3563
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:21,660
show on a Saturday night or a Friday

3564
02:41:26,809 --> 02:41:24,720
night and I just can't do that because

3565
02:41:28,190 --> 02:41:26,819
I gotta finish some things at that

3566
02:41:31,969 --> 02:41:28,200
current cabin

3567
02:41:35,570 --> 02:41:31,979
because in the springtime uh I have to

3568
02:41:37,610 --> 02:41:35,580
early spring drop a porch a front porch

3569
02:41:39,170 --> 02:41:37,620
on that cabin but I gotta have

3570
02:41:41,809 --> 02:41:39,180
everything else done except for the

3571
02:41:44,030 --> 02:41:41,819
porch because then I'm gonna drop a

3572
02:41:46,490 --> 02:41:44,040
cabin on the porch and that cabin is

3573
02:41:49,010 --> 02:41:46,500
done well done in quotes I may still

3574
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:49,020
build one more bump out room behind the

3575
02:41:56,210 --> 02:41:52,800
cabin behind the kitchen but not for a

3576
02:41:58,490 --> 02:41:56,220
while but I need to get that cabin done

3577
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:58,500
like everything done the walls the

3578
02:42:05,389 --> 02:42:02,160
ceilings everything the trim the wiring

3579
02:42:07,610 --> 02:42:05,399
because in the springtime I have to

3580
02:42:09,650 --> 02:42:07,620
build a new cabin and I don't want to

3581
02:42:12,469 --> 02:42:09,660
start on one while the other one's not

3582
02:42:14,330 --> 02:42:12,479
done I want that one as close to like

3583
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:14,340
literally everything I can be done and

3584
02:42:18,650 --> 02:42:16,319
I'm very very close I've been building

3585
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:18,660
this thing for years

3586
02:42:22,730 --> 02:42:20,160
um I gotta

3587
02:42:24,650 --> 02:42:22,740
put a few walls up in the bathroom I got

3588
02:42:26,450 --> 02:42:24,660
to put a ceiling up in the bathroom a

3589
02:42:28,910 --> 02:42:26,460
little bit more wiring some trim work

3590
02:42:31,309 --> 02:42:28,920
and then little stuff and then that

3591
02:42:33,650 --> 02:42:31,319
cabin's done and of course the porch but

3592
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:33,660
I I need it to be warm before I can't do

3593
02:42:38,330 --> 02:42:36,240
the porch when there's snow outside

3594
02:42:40,370 --> 02:42:38,340
um so as soon as the spring breaks I'm

3595
02:42:44,030 --> 02:42:40,380
gonna jump on that porch that should be

3596
02:42:47,330 --> 02:42:44,040
one maybe two weekends Max then

3597
02:42:49,490 --> 02:42:47,340
I'm building a new cabin uh Studio cabin

3598
02:42:52,910 --> 02:42:49,500
at the new location which I can't wait

3599
02:42:55,250 --> 02:42:52,920
to do so I need this balance because I

3600
02:42:58,130 --> 02:42:55,260
can't go to the cabin and be doing a

3601
02:42:59,450 --> 02:42:58,140
three hour show on Friday or Saturday I

3602
02:43:01,370 --> 02:42:59,460
just don't have the time while I'm there

3603
02:43:02,210 --> 02:43:01,380
I have to be focused on finishing that

3604
02:43:05,030 --> 02:43:02,220
stuff

3605
02:43:07,969 --> 02:43:05,040
and uh yeah Mike says masturbation can

3606
02:43:11,389 --> 02:43:07,979
wait that's right yeah yeah

3607
02:43:16,550 --> 02:43:14,990
um yeah and over the weekend I uh I did

3608
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:16,560
make some progress one of the things

3609
02:43:20,270 --> 02:43:18,240
that's been stopping me from finishing

3610
02:43:23,630 --> 02:43:20,280
that ceiling in the bathroom is that the

3611
02:43:27,530 --> 02:43:23,640
wires for the lighting system we have

3612
02:43:30,650 --> 02:43:27,540
two Lighting systems we have a 120 volt

3613
02:43:32,690 --> 02:43:30,660
lighting and we have uh you know regular

3614
02:43:34,849 --> 02:43:32,700
house lighting I mean and then we have

3615
02:43:36,770 --> 02:43:34,859
uh 12 volt lighting because there's

3616
02:43:39,290 --> 02:43:36,780
frequent power failures there and if we

3617
02:43:42,230 --> 02:43:39,300
decide to go full solar the 12 volt

3618
02:43:46,490 --> 02:43:42,240
lights are much much more efficient so

3619
02:43:48,830 --> 02:43:46,500
um anyway I was not able to finish the

3620
02:43:51,230 --> 02:43:48,840
ceiling in the bathroom because I had

3621
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:51,240
wires that I needed to run through this

3622
02:43:58,010 --> 02:43:54,000
the bathroom ceiling to the room next

3623
02:43:59,870 --> 02:43:58,020
door and uh I'll show you I uh I that's

3624
02:44:03,010 --> 02:43:59,880
what I did this weekend I finally

3625
02:44:06,110 --> 02:44:03,020
finished all the 12 volt stuff is wired

3626
02:44:07,969 --> 02:44:06,120
we have these wonderful 12 volt lights

3627
02:44:10,010 --> 02:44:07,979
which are incredibly efficient one

3628
02:44:11,870 --> 02:44:10,020
charged 12 volt battery can run these

3629
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:11,880
lights for days and days throughout the

3630
02:44:15,070 --> 02:44:13,680
entire cabin here's the sleeping Loft

3631
02:44:18,410 --> 02:44:15,080
part in the mess

3632
02:44:20,510 --> 02:44:18,420
but all the light all the 12 volt wiring

3633
02:44:22,849 --> 02:44:20,520
is done the 120 wiring was already

3634
02:44:24,830 --> 02:44:22,859
finished but I still had to run the

3635
02:44:27,469 --> 02:44:24,840
wires for this 12 volt lighting system

3636
02:44:29,929 --> 02:44:27,479
that's now done which means I can now

3637
02:44:31,250 --> 02:44:29,939
I'll finish the ceilings and I have no

3638
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:31,260
excuses I've been looking at it going

3639
02:44:34,910 --> 02:44:32,640
I've got to run those wires got to run

3640
02:44:36,770 --> 02:44:34,920
those wires got to finish the wiring I

3641
02:44:38,150 --> 02:44:36,780
finished all the wiring so when I go

3642
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:38,160
back this weekend I'm going to be

3643
02:44:42,590 --> 02:44:40,319
building onto uh

3644
02:44:44,570 --> 02:44:42,600
I'm going to be finishing a few walls in

3645
02:44:47,630 --> 02:44:44,580
the bathroom and putting the ceiling in

3646
02:44:49,309 --> 02:44:47,640
and I got a lot of odds and ends after

3647
02:44:50,630 --> 02:44:49,319
that inside that I'm going to finish

3648
02:44:54,950 --> 02:44:50,640
over

3649
02:44:56,809 --> 02:44:54,960
so this way as soon as the weather

3650
02:44:58,910 --> 02:44:56,819
breaks I'm building a porch and that

3651
02:45:01,190 --> 02:44:58,920
cabin's done I got to do some cleaning

3652
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:01,200
up and get it ready for my wife but then

3653
02:45:08,330 --> 02:45:05,760
I'm essentially giving the big beautiful

3654
02:45:11,230 --> 02:45:08,340
um very comfortable cabin to my wife and

3655
02:45:13,670 --> 02:45:11,240
then I'm going to go build a man cabin

3656
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:13,680
the new place is going to be much much

3657
02:45:18,590 --> 02:45:16,080
more rustic and what do I mean

3658
02:45:21,710 --> 02:45:18,600
we will not have electricity

3659
02:45:25,610 --> 02:45:21,720
for nail we may eventually have

3660
02:45:29,809 --> 02:45:27,710
but when I say small solar system I mean

3661
02:45:32,030 --> 02:45:29,819
like 200 Watts like

3662
02:45:34,670 --> 02:45:32,040
and a 112 volt battery just enough to

3663
02:45:36,770 --> 02:45:34,680
run lights and laptop and that's it

3664
02:45:38,570 --> 02:45:36,780
and the only reason I have to do that is

3665
02:45:40,969 --> 02:45:38,580
because I plan on doing a lot of work

3666
02:45:42,650 --> 02:45:40,979
and recording there so I need the laptop

3667
02:45:44,290 --> 02:45:42,660
but

3668
02:45:47,389 --> 02:45:44,300
um there won't be

3669
02:45:50,330 --> 02:45:47,399
microwaves or

3670
02:45:54,050 --> 02:45:50,340
um toaster ovens electric heaters hair

3671
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:54,060
dryers Pizza makers any of that air

3672
02:45:57,650 --> 02:45:55,920
fryers none of that stuff

3673
02:46:00,349 --> 02:45:57,660
we're gonna have a wood stove and a

3674
02:46:02,750 --> 02:46:00,359
campfire that's it that's all we're

3675
02:46:05,450 --> 02:46:02,760
gonna have and probably oil lights and

3676
02:46:08,990 --> 02:46:05,460
candles at the new cabin very very

3677
02:46:11,630 --> 02:46:09,000
rustic as little technology there as

3678
02:46:14,870 --> 02:46:11,640
possible and in fact

3679
02:46:18,110 --> 02:46:14,880
I've already got a faraday cage a little

3680
02:46:20,330 --> 02:46:18,120
one and when I go there I'm putting my

3681
02:46:24,110 --> 02:46:20,340
phone in that cage and I'm not to be

3682
02:46:25,490 --> 02:46:24,120
bothered for two days right uh well I'll

3683
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:25,500
pull it out every once in a while and

3684
02:46:29,690 --> 02:46:27,359
check for messages from my wife or call

3685
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:29,700
my wife to check in but other than that

3686
02:46:35,389 --> 02:46:33,359
that's it and when people come to that

3687
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:35,399
cabin you're not allowed there unless

3688
02:46:40,010 --> 02:46:37,439
you put your phone in the cage and leave

3689
02:46:42,170 --> 02:46:40,020
it you can go check it once a day but

3690
02:46:44,030 --> 02:46:42,180
you know you'd be surprised how many

3691
02:46:46,429 --> 02:46:44,040
visitors that I have at the other cabin

3692
02:46:48,950 --> 02:46:46,439
that are so concerned with their phones

3693
02:46:51,230 --> 02:46:48,960
and being on the internet and I always

3694
02:46:55,010 --> 02:46:51,240
like you realize you're in one of the

3695
02:46:57,950 --> 02:46:55,020
most beautiful mountain ranges in in the

3696
02:47:00,950 --> 02:46:57,960
United States right now and you're on

3697
02:47:03,830 --> 02:47:00,960
your phone and it kind of annoys me so

3698
02:47:06,889 --> 02:47:03,840
visitors to the new location you're not

3699
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,899
allowed there you gotta disconnect your

3700
02:47:10,429 --> 02:47:07,920
phone

3701
02:47:11,870 --> 02:47:10,439
you know or you're not welcome I don't

3702
02:47:13,790 --> 02:47:11,880
want to watch you look at your phone all

3703
02:47:16,849 --> 02:47:13,800
weekend or whatever

3704
02:47:19,730 --> 02:47:16,859
um it's it's it's going to be a place

3705
02:47:22,250 --> 02:47:19,740
without with as little technology as

3706
02:47:24,770 --> 02:47:22,260
possible the new place

3707
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:24,780
um we're gonna have a wood cook stove

3708
02:47:31,309 --> 02:47:28,080
and gas lights you know oil lanterns

3709
02:47:33,290 --> 02:47:31,319
like back in the day and um

3710
02:47:35,150 --> 02:47:33,300
candles for light

3711
02:47:36,889 --> 02:47:35,160
you know

3712
02:47:38,929 --> 02:47:36,899
that's it

3713
02:47:40,849 --> 02:47:38,939
that's because when Mrs Camby and says

3714
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:40,859
no show tonight then no show tonight

3715
02:47:46,429 --> 02:47:42,479
that's why we call our wives the

3716
02:47:48,650 --> 02:47:46,439
handbrake are you right blinker liar oh

3717
02:47:50,750 --> 02:47:48,660
and and also you know I've we've been

3718
02:47:52,730 --> 02:47:50,760
dealing with our our children have been

3719
02:47:55,910 --> 02:47:52,740
sick and that's terrible blink and liar

3720
02:47:58,730 --> 02:47:55,920
my uh six-year-old threw up all over the

3721
02:48:00,170 --> 02:47:58,740
place on Friday and I thought he ate

3722
02:48:02,570 --> 02:48:00,180
something bad but it turned out probably

3723
02:48:05,389 --> 02:48:02,580
it's a stomach virus

3724
02:48:07,550 --> 02:48:05,399
and so I cleaned the puke a few times

3725
02:48:10,330 --> 02:48:07,560
our whole house smelled like puke like

3726
02:48:14,330 --> 02:48:10,340
that bad gross make you want to gag

3727
02:48:17,750 --> 02:48:14,340
stench of puke it was a bad stomach

3728
02:48:20,090 --> 02:48:17,760
virus and then I I went to the cabin and

3729
02:48:22,130 --> 02:48:20,100
he puked a whole lot more that night all

3730
02:48:24,530 --> 02:48:22,140
over the bed and his mom cleaned that up

3731
02:48:26,270 --> 02:48:24,540
and then you know we got through the

3732
02:48:28,250 --> 02:48:26,280
weekend so we thought we were good and

3733
02:48:30,530 --> 02:48:28,260
nobody else was getting it but now my

3734
02:48:32,750 --> 02:48:30,540
older son got it and he was puking his

3735
02:48:36,530 --> 02:48:32,760
brains out all last night at four

3736
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:36,540
o'clock in the morning so now we're in

3737
02:48:40,969 --> 02:48:39,120
biohazard mode cleaning it up and and

3738
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:40,979
washing our hands and trying to not get

3739
02:48:45,170 --> 02:48:43,200
it ourselves I may have already had it

3740
02:48:48,170 --> 02:48:45,180
but mine came out the other end there's

3741
02:48:50,570 --> 02:48:48,180
too much information for you yeah

3742
02:48:52,849 --> 02:48:50,580
for and Divinity cases Back to Basics

3743
02:48:55,010 --> 02:48:52,859
love it yes and I'm also doing something

3744
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:55,020
crazy Davina and that is

3745
02:49:01,070 --> 02:48:58,800
I'm not using any power tools at all the

3746
02:49:04,370 --> 02:49:01,080
new cabin I'm building it with an ax and

3747
02:49:07,010 --> 02:49:04,380
a saw and a hatchet and that's it I'm

3748
02:49:09,950 --> 02:49:07,020
just gonna have some hand saws and

3749
02:49:13,250 --> 02:49:09,960
hatchets hand drills I got all the tools

3750
02:49:16,429 --> 02:49:13,260
and uh we're gonna do it the Amish way

3751
02:49:18,590 --> 02:49:16,439
in fact I bought some really antique

3752
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:18,600
tools from an Amish person

3753
02:49:24,349 --> 02:49:21,120
um I bought some uh

3754
02:49:26,690 --> 02:49:24,359
something uh that you use to peel the

3755
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:26,700
logs it's called a draw knife and some

3756
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:28,800
hand saws from an Amish man who's a

3757
02:49:33,410 --> 02:49:31,920
woodworker uh and I'm not gonna have any

3758
02:49:36,889 --> 02:49:33,420
power tools we don't have any power

3759
02:49:39,290 --> 02:49:36,899
there's no like what I I can't plan to

3760
02:49:41,270 --> 02:49:39,300
build a cabin with power tools when

3761
02:49:44,330 --> 02:49:41,280
there's no power unless I want to get

3762
02:49:48,110 --> 02:49:44,340
into a noisy generator and gas I hate

3763
02:49:52,490 --> 02:49:48,120
gas anything I hate gas lawn mowers I

3764
02:49:54,710 --> 02:49:52,500
hate gas uh generators uh gas snow

3765
02:49:56,150 --> 02:49:54,720
blowers anything that runs on gas I hate

3766
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:56,160
it because I don't know how to fix it

3767
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:58,080
when they break we're not doing any of

3768
02:50:03,950 --> 02:50:01,439
that so if I have no power there there's

3769
02:50:06,770 --> 02:50:03,960
no power pole within I think it's three

3770
02:50:09,050 --> 02:50:06,780
or four miles is the nearest or maybe

3771
02:50:11,389 --> 02:50:09,060
three two and a half or three miles is

3772
02:50:14,929 --> 02:50:11,399
the nearest power pole and I think they

3773
02:50:17,150 --> 02:50:14,939
told me it would cost 12 or or twenty

3774
02:50:19,670 --> 02:50:17,160
thousand dollars to run all the poles to

3775
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:19,680
that property to have electric

3776
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:22,560
so I just said you know I want an escape

3777
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:25,200
in the woods why do I need I don't need

3778
02:50:29,210 --> 02:50:27,600
power and by the way when I was building

3779
02:50:31,610 --> 02:50:29,220
the other cabin

3780
02:50:34,910 --> 02:50:31,620
I had weekends where there was no power

3781
02:50:35,750 --> 02:50:34,920
the power that we had a power failure we

3782
02:50:38,270 --> 02:50:35,760
didn't

3783
02:50:41,090 --> 02:50:38,280
anyway I was very comfortable with just

3784
02:50:44,929 --> 02:50:41,100
lights and a laptop or you know uh

3785
02:50:47,389 --> 02:50:44,939
candles gas lamps uh oil lamps whatever

3786
02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:47,399
I was fine

3787
02:50:51,290 --> 02:50:49,680
um so I think we'll be okay at the new

3788
02:50:55,190 --> 02:50:51,300
place no power

3789
02:50:55,849 --> 02:50:55,200
no power tools uh we're just gonna have

3790
02:50:59,270 --> 02:50:55,859
um

3791
02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:59,280
oil lamps and a lot of candles and and

3792
02:51:04,010 --> 02:51:00,960
hand tools that we're going to do with

3793
02:51:05,929 --> 02:51:04,020
the old-fashioned way right

3794
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:05,939
somebody's looking for Richie Cunningham

3795
02:51:18,650 --> 02:51:16,429
somebody's making Happy Days references

3796
02:51:20,809 --> 02:51:18,660
over in the twitch chat and by the way I

3797
02:51:22,490 --> 02:51:20,819
will go over and visit you guys over

3798
02:51:24,349 --> 02:51:22,500
there and I want to thank each and every

3799
02:51:25,790 --> 02:51:24,359
one of you who signed up to be a twitch

3800
02:51:29,809 --> 02:51:25,800
subscriber we're trying to figure out

3801
02:51:31,670 --> 02:51:29,819
how to get you guys to get the uh the

3802
02:51:34,610 --> 02:51:31,680
benefits and we've got 10 of you over

3803
02:51:38,090 --> 02:51:34,620
there uh it's amazing I want to say

3804
02:51:40,190 --> 02:51:38,100
hello uh to the twitch chat and

3805
02:51:42,590 --> 02:51:40,200
recognize you guys hold me on the twitch

3806
02:51:44,809 --> 02:51:42,600
chat over there I can't tell you how

3807
02:51:47,150 --> 02:51:44,819
happy I am that I get some money from

3808
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:47,160
Jeff Bezos our show is getting money

3809
02:51:53,630 --> 02:51:50,160
free money from Jeff Bezos every month

3810
02:51:56,330 --> 02:51:53,640
now it's amazing I love it and uh thanks

3811
02:51:58,250 --> 02:51:56,340
each of you for uh really for making

3812
02:52:00,889 --> 02:51:58,260
that possible it's because of the

3813
02:52:02,450 --> 02:52:00,899
kindness and generosity and I especially

3814
02:52:04,910 --> 02:52:02,460
love all you people that are signing up

3815
02:52:06,769 --> 02:52:04,920
for the freebie in other words we played

3816
02:52:10,849 --> 02:52:06,779
the bumper earlier

3817
02:52:13,130 --> 02:52:10,859
um if you have an Amazon uh account an

3818
02:52:15,230 --> 02:52:13,140
Amazon Prime account Jeff Bezos gives

3819
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:15,240
everybody five bucks I think it is a

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for free so I love it because it it's

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like free money from Jeff Bezos and it

3823
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:26,939
doesn't cost the viewer anything

3824
02:52:32,150 --> 02:52:29,040
so we want to thank each and every one

3825
02:52:33,710 --> 02:52:32,160
of you uh and we're already making some

3826
02:52:36,170 --> 02:52:33,720
money over there and every month I'm

3827
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,180
gonna get some Jeff base he's got enough

3828
02:52:41,330 --> 02:52:38,640
money right he's willing to give it to

3829
02:52:45,250 --> 02:52:41,340
us sign up help us get that free Jeff

3830
02:52:50,450 --> 02:52:47,929
algorize over there as usual holding

3831
02:52:51,950 --> 02:52:50,460
down a twitch chat avenging pineapple is

3832
02:52:55,570 --> 02:52:51,960
over there but I'm supposed to call him

3833
02:52:59,330 --> 02:52:57,590
blinken liar says you're starting to

3834
02:53:02,210 --> 02:52:59,340
selling an Amish dude maybe you want a

3835
02:53:04,370 --> 02:53:02,220
kibbutz I don't know what is a kiblets I

3836
02:53:07,550 --> 02:53:04,380
have to look that up I've heard that

3837
02:53:13,070 --> 02:53:09,950
the books kibbutz is a communal

3838
02:53:16,070 --> 02:53:13,080
settlement in Israel typically a farm

3839
02:53:18,290 --> 02:53:16,080
well I mean uh I can think of worse ways

3840
02:53:19,370 --> 02:53:18,300
to live right

3841
02:53:22,210 --> 02:53:19,380
um

3842
02:53:25,610 --> 02:53:22,220
yeah I could definitely think of work

3843
02:53:28,010 --> 02:53:25,620
Aaron Flores does PA even allow that

3844
02:53:31,610 --> 02:53:28,020
what do you mean a communal Farm I think

3845
02:53:35,090 --> 02:53:31,620
so uh PA's pretty liberal State we have

3846
02:53:37,610 --> 02:53:35,100
something here as well called a uh

3847
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:37,620
recreational cabin affidavit Aaron

3848
02:53:41,929 --> 02:53:39,840
Flores and it's especially for people

3849
02:53:44,030 --> 02:53:41,939
like me who are building like cabins out

3850
02:53:45,170 --> 02:53:44,040
of logs and trees you just fill out this

3851
02:53:47,570 --> 02:53:45,180
form and then you don't need any

3852
02:53:49,070 --> 02:53:47,580
building permits and you're on the honor

3853
02:53:51,769 --> 02:53:49,080
System to make sure it's safe and

3854
02:53:53,570 --> 02:53:51,779
habitable and uh the only thing they

3855
02:53:55,730 --> 02:53:53,580
require is that any room that you sleep

3856
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:55,740
in has a smoke detector and a fire

3857
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:57,120
extinguisher

3858
02:54:01,210 --> 02:53:59,279
but that's it uh those are the only

3859
02:54:03,950 --> 02:54:01,220
things

3860
02:54:06,469 --> 02:54:03,960
Tony books has awesome show Stephen you

3861
02:54:09,650 --> 02:54:06,479
don't need a kibbutz no but I'd be open

3862
02:54:11,510 --> 02:54:09,660
to that idea right I know uh yeah I

3863
02:54:13,969 --> 02:54:11,520
looked it up so it's a communal Farm in

3864
02:54:16,370 --> 02:54:13,979
Israel as a kibbutz that's what it says

3865
02:54:19,070 --> 02:54:16,380
for definition communal settlement in

3866
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:19,080
Israel typically a farm but they're kind

3867
02:54:23,269 --> 02:54:20,880
of beautiful

3868
02:54:26,030 --> 02:54:23,279
based on agriculture the first kibbutz

3869
02:54:30,110 --> 02:54:26,040
established in 1909 was the Ghana today

3870
02:54:32,750 --> 02:54:30,120
no look at this this looks good to me

3871
02:54:34,849 --> 02:54:32,760
look at that this is I will share my

3872
02:54:37,670 --> 02:54:34,859
screen I learned something today I had

3873
02:54:38,990 --> 02:54:37,680
no idea what that was here's it looks

3874
02:54:41,690 --> 02:54:39,000
beautiful to me

3875
02:54:42,950 --> 02:54:41,700
out there with nature look it looks very

3876
02:54:45,050 --> 02:54:42,960
well planned

3877
02:54:47,870 --> 02:54:45,060
that's a kibbutz

3878
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:47,880
and it's a commune in Israel based

3879
02:54:53,330 --> 02:54:50,640
around Agriculture and farming I guess

3880
02:54:56,210 --> 02:54:53,340
they all work together communally hey

3881
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:56,220
that sounds pretty good to me but I

3882
02:55:02,349 --> 02:54:57,600
would much rather just live out in the

3883
02:55:04,370 --> 02:55:02,359
woods uh without you know other people

3884
02:55:06,650 --> 02:55:04,380
with the exception of my wife and

3885
02:55:09,469 --> 02:55:06,660
children they're allowed oh I I'm sorry

3886
02:55:12,590 --> 02:55:09,479
let's do that this way

3887
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,600
yeah interesting uh

3888
02:55:17,150 --> 02:55:15,359
interesting look beautiful to me there's

3889
02:55:20,210 --> 02:55:17,160
a kibblitz in Israel I learned something

3890
02:55:22,130 --> 02:55:20,220
new today so every day try to expand

3891
02:55:24,170 --> 02:55:22,140
your knowledge base I know I heard the

3892
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:24,180
word before but I wasn't sure

3893
02:55:29,330 --> 02:55:26,640
what it was about

3894
02:55:31,010 --> 02:55:29,340
Sony Sonny Sandu says I'm a new twitch

3895
02:55:32,570 --> 02:55:31,020
follower after listening on YouTube for

3896
02:55:35,330 --> 02:55:32,580
a while well thank you for that we

3897
02:55:37,490 --> 02:55:35,340
appreciate you being over there holding

3898
02:55:40,010 --> 02:55:37,500
down the live chat Patty says amazing

3899
02:55:41,690 --> 02:55:40,020
building skills no I'm terrible Patty

3900
02:55:43,309 --> 02:55:41,700
before I built that cabin I never built

3901
02:55:44,929 --> 02:55:43,319
anything in my life you know like I

3902
02:55:47,150 --> 02:55:44,939
painted things dude a little light

3903
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:47,160
remodeling but building the whole

3904
02:55:51,889 --> 02:55:49,040
building I never did anything like that

3905
02:55:53,990 --> 02:55:51,899
so I watched a lot of YouTube videos I

3906
02:55:56,090 --> 02:55:54,000
read every book I could find or I'm

3907
02:55:58,670 --> 02:55:56,100
building Cottages cabins vacation homes

3908
02:56:01,190 --> 02:55:58,680
and I figured it out and I did a lot of

3909
02:56:03,469 --> 02:56:01,200
trial and error I only show you my

3910
02:56:05,769 --> 02:56:03,479
successes you don't see like that wall

3911
02:56:08,929 --> 02:56:05,779
that I built one time that fell down

3912
02:56:11,450 --> 02:56:08,939
or any of the you know one time we lit

3913
02:56:13,309 --> 02:56:11,460
we did we I I was doing that cordwood

3914
02:56:14,450 --> 02:56:13,319
masonry and

3915
02:56:20,990 --> 02:56:14,460
uh

3916
02:56:23,929 --> 02:56:21,000
front wall though so it wasn't that it

3917
02:56:27,170 --> 02:56:23,939
was like 12 foot wide and only half of

3918
02:56:28,670 --> 02:56:27,180
it fell down I got pissed off and really

3919
02:56:31,490 --> 02:56:28,680
depressed because I spent all day

3920
02:56:33,230 --> 02:56:31,500
building that wall but I just shook it

3921
02:56:37,250 --> 02:56:33,240
off and the next day I built it better

3922
02:56:43,070 --> 02:56:37,260
and it's still standing now Patty so

3923
02:56:47,090 --> 02:56:45,830
I'd be afraid to do wiring a fire hazard

3924
02:56:50,570 --> 02:56:47,100
yeah

3925
02:56:52,969 --> 02:56:50,580
um I I I'm just really really what I do

3926
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:52,979
Patty is I when I did the wiring work

3927
02:56:59,210 --> 02:56:56,160
that I did I did it extremely extremely

3928
02:57:00,590 --> 02:56:59,220
extremely slow and methodical like I

3929
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:00,600
would take

3930
02:57:07,250 --> 02:57:03,120
a half hour to wire one Outlet

3931
02:57:09,349 --> 02:57:07,260
or an hour even like check it 10 times

3932
02:57:11,929 --> 02:57:09,359
before I turned the power back on see if

3933
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:11,939
it worked I'm very very careful with the

3934
02:57:15,650 --> 02:57:13,439
wiring because that makes me nervous as

3935
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:15,660
well but luckily for the sun room we

3936
02:57:19,849 --> 02:57:17,760
have Rogue status a user here come and

3937
02:57:21,710 --> 02:57:19,859
spend the weekend there at the cabin and

3938
02:57:23,269 --> 02:57:21,720
wire that whole room so I didn't have to

3939
02:57:25,010 --> 02:57:23,279
do that and he's an electrician that's

3940
02:57:25,790 --> 02:57:25,020
his job like he really knows what he's

3941
02:57:28,969 --> 02:57:25,800
doing

3942
02:57:33,070 --> 02:57:28,979
so yeah makes me want to find a kibbutz

3943
02:57:38,210 --> 02:57:36,590
uh oh geez no electric in the cabin no

3944
02:57:39,769 --> 02:57:38,220
there will be no electric at least to

3945
02:57:42,290 --> 02:57:39,779
start with we'll just have hand tools

3946
02:57:44,269 --> 02:57:42,300
and a fire that's it

3947
02:57:46,490 --> 02:57:44,279
um

3948
02:57:48,710 --> 02:57:46,500
hand tools

3949
02:57:50,750 --> 02:57:48,720
you know we're gonna learn to do things

3950
02:57:54,170 --> 02:57:50,760
the way the settlers how to do them and

3951
02:57:58,190 --> 02:57:56,269
Lincoln Meyer says those exposed Timber

3952
02:57:59,450 --> 02:57:58,200
is going to swell me yeah they probably

3953
02:58:01,849 --> 02:57:59,460
will because I'm probably going to be

3954
02:58:04,370 --> 02:58:01,859
building with a lot of green Lumber but

3955
02:58:05,870 --> 02:58:04,380
there is an awful lot of Fallen trees so

3956
02:58:08,809 --> 02:58:05,880
we're going to start with the trees that

3957
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:08,819
have already fallen and hopefully

3958
02:58:13,250 --> 02:58:11,040
um it'll go well and I'm looking forward

3959
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:13,260
to Spring I have to get a surveyor there

3960
02:58:16,730 --> 02:58:15,359
to Mark the property line so we're sure

3961
02:58:17,929 --> 02:58:16,740
we're not building somewhere we're not

3962
02:58:19,790 --> 02:58:17,939
supposed to

3963
02:58:20,570 --> 02:58:19,800
but other than that

3964
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:20,580
um

3965
02:58:25,550 --> 02:58:23,040
I'm raring to go I just can't wait to

3966
02:58:27,469 --> 02:58:25,560
get started and I have several designs

3967
02:58:30,590 --> 02:58:27,479
but I keep fighting myself about the

3968
02:58:31,969 --> 02:58:30,600
design so it keeps changing and it will

3969
02:58:33,650 --> 02:58:31,979
probably change some more before I

3970
02:58:35,870 --> 02:58:33,660
actually start building things or it'll

3971
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:35,880
be modified when I start building things

3972
02:58:40,370 --> 02:58:38,399
I've never been really big on drawing

3973
02:58:41,809 --> 02:58:40,380
things out and more like just get the

3974
02:58:44,210 --> 02:58:41,819
picture in your mind and start building

3975
02:58:45,530 --> 02:58:44,220
it that worked on the first cabin I'm

3976
02:58:46,730 --> 02:58:45,540
hopeful it's going to work on the second

3977
02:58:50,570 --> 02:58:46,740
one

3978
02:58:55,010 --> 02:58:52,910
yeah so we want to thank each and every

3979
02:58:56,870 --> 02:58:55,020
one of you for joining us tonight we

3980
02:58:59,570 --> 02:58:56,880
will be back tomorrow night 9 p.m

3981
02:59:01,309 --> 02:58:59,580
Eastern Standard time I've got a fun one

3982
02:59:03,349 --> 02:59:01,319
for you tomorrow night

3983
02:59:04,370 --> 02:59:03,359
um I can't wait to do tomorrow night's

3984
02:59:05,870 --> 02:59:04,380
show

3985
02:59:08,030 --> 02:59:05,880
I've been working on this one for a

3986
02:59:09,830 --> 02:59:08,040
while uh and I'm gonna leave it as a

3987
02:59:13,250 --> 02:59:09,840
surprise but I'm going to try to post

3988
02:59:16,190 --> 02:59:13,260
that early the thumbnail for it early

3989
02:59:18,230 --> 02:59:16,200
uh yeah uh we'll be back tomorrow night

3990
02:59:20,630 --> 02:59:18,240
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4006
02:59:57,889 --> 02:59:55,979
um uh thank you all of you for joining

4007
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us uh for tonight's Presentation

4008
03:00:02,750 --> 02:59:59,520
tomorrow I got one that's a little more

4009
03:00:04,969 --> 03:00:02,760
laid back and fun uh less data rich but

4010
03:00:07,070 --> 03:00:04,979
I'm sure that you will enjoy it I'll be

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here at 9 00 PM Eastern Standard Time

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03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:10,920
hope you will be too so uh until next

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03:00:15,469 --> 03:00:13,200
time friends that's all I got for you

4014
03:00:20,540 --> 03:00:15,479
until next time my name is Stephen Camby

4015
03:01:21,850 --> 03:01:18,849
[Music]

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03:01:21,850 --> 03:01:21,860
thank you

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03:01:39,510 --> 03:01:37,990
[Music]

4018
03:01:40,880 --> 03:01:39,520
thank you

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03:02:00,490 --> 03:01:40,890
[Applause]

4020
03:02:03,720 --> 03:02:00,500
[Music]

4021
03:02:24,770 --> 03:02:03,730
thank you foreign